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Lyft commits to closing wage gaps across race and gender

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Re: Lyft commits to closing wage gaps across race and gender

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I'm curious how they determined that the 1% of cases were gender and race-based and not something else. With such a small number, it seems like it would be very easy for the variations to be caused by other factors. It is probably good PR for them, but the math behind the decision would be pretty interesting.

1% of a large number is still a large number.

Re: Lyft commits to closing wage gaps across race and gender

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post #30

The central variable that creates the "gender pay gap" is not sexist employer discrimination. The gap is primarily created by the fact that women, more typically than men, are the ones who raise children full time. https://www.creators.com/read/thomas-sowell/04/14/statistica...

Yes, we should also be advocating for better paternity leave policies, so that men can take a bigger role in child care. However, that does not mean companies shouldn't audit pay across race and gender, controlling for job role, level and performance. Nor does it mean companies shouldn't audit performance reviews for inequity. Nor does it mean companies shouldn't audit job role and level and promotion processes for i…

Indeed consistency is important. Likewise it is important to review these things without the influence of erroneous prejudice, such as the belief that women with the same skills and experience are being systemically paid less due to rampant sexism.

Re: Lyft commits to closing wage gaps across race and gender

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a man, you're more likely to be murdered, killed in a war, commit suicide, die in a workplace accident, and be sentenced to prison disproportionately longer for the same crime as compared to women.

I'm also incredibly less likely to be raped, be the victim of domestic abuse from my partner, pressured by my boss for sex, have my qualifications questioned over my gender, low-balled on offers, negatively evaluated for expressing 'masculine' traits in the workplace, be low-balled on hiring offers, have my career suffer because of fears that I'll have a child and take paternity leave, should I keep going..? The natu…

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Re: Lyft commits to closing wage gaps across race and gender

#35
post #27

This only covers full-time employees (software engineers, designers, and the like), right? Not any of their drivers?

Correct. Some economists from Stanford & Uber actually did a fascinating analysis of the gender earnings gap for drivers.

tl;dr - Men earn 7% more:

> We find that the entire gender gap is caused by three factors: experience on the platform (learning-by-doing), preferences over where/when to work, and preferences for driving speed.

https://web.stanford.edu/~diamondr/UberPayGap.pdf

Edit - I originally found out about this study from a Freakonomics podcast. These economists are chomping at the bit to get newer data (which will include tips). Their hypothesis is that women's earnings will increase, since women's tips are 10-20% greater than men's. However, they also say tipping increases the supply of drivers, which will serve to decrease utilization rate and thus lower hourly pay.

Re: Lyft commits to closing wage gaps across race and gender

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is the factually correct claim that white men, in the study, earn more than Black and Hispanic men, and more than women of any racial/ethnic category, painting them in a “bad light”? Would there equally true statement that Asian men earn more than men of any other racial/ethnic category and more than women of any ethnic category be painting Asian men in a “bad light”?

I think the issue stems from the author pointing out that white male wages as statistically disconcerting with respect to the racial pay gap without raising the issue of Asian male wages as being the same.

There is no group referred to as specifically disconcerting. And both the relatively high pay of white males (in the body text) and Asian of both genders (in bold callouts on the graphics) are highlighted.

White males are the comparison baseline, but Asians couldn't be used for that because they don't have data for the first decade+.

Re: Lyft commits to closing wage gaps across race and gender

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a man, you're more likely to be murdered, killed in a war, commit suicide, die in a workplace accident, and be sentenced to prison disproportionately longer for the same crime as compared to women.

I'm also incredibly less likely to be raped, be the victim of domestic abuse from my partner, pressured by my boss for sex, have my qualifications questioned over my gender, low-balled on offers, negatively evaluated for expressing 'masculine' traits in the workplace, be low-balled on hiring offers, have my career suffer because of fears that I'll have a child and take paternity leave, should I keep going..? The natu…

Being killed or locked in prison (where the likelihood of rape skyrockets) seems objectively worse than any of those things, does it not? Why is it that you are so eager to ignore the inequalities against men in favor of women?

Re: Lyft commits to closing wage gaps across race and gender

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the issue stems from the author pointing out that white male wages as statistically disconcerting with respect to the racial pay gap without raising the issue of Asian male wages as being the same.

There is no group referred to as specifically disconcerting. And both the relatively high pay of white males (in the body text) and Asian of both genders (in bold callouts on the graphics) are highlighted. White males are the comparison baseline, but Asians couldn't be used for that because they don't have data for the first decade+.

Looking at the article again, that may be a fair interpretation. The Pew Research Center's article[0] from which one of the graphs is lifted says "white men are often used in comparisons such as this because they are the largest demographic group in the workforce". So the point of comparison seems to be on the basis of the size of the demographic rather than availability of past data.

It also notes a possible reason for the gap: among adults ages 25 and older, 53% of Asians have a bachelor’s degree or more versus only 36% of whites.

[0]: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/01/racial-gende...

Re: Lyft commits to closing wage gaps across race and gender

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post #33
post #14

How do you close the wage gap? Is it just bulk monetary transfer to people who identify as women?

Presumably Lyft increased pay rates for those they identified as having been paid unequally due to race or gender.

Ah, I see this is for Lyft employees, and not Lyft drivers which I assumed. It makes sense that Lyft would have much more data regarding sexism or racism affecting their employees than they would sexism or racism affecting drivers.

Re: Lyft commits to closing wage gaps across race and gender

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I believe I've been here long enough to know that is not a very good assumption to make. Allowances such as yours are usually given in defense of white men, but hardly ever given for other groups.

The HN guidelines[0] encourage users to assume good faith in interpreting the comments of others, and I think that applies well here. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

They do, but again, I've been here long enough to know that's not always the case, especially with topics like this.
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