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To me it's more like copyrighting the standard height of a door.
It's more analogous to -- very analogous to -- the "clean room" BIOS clones that enabled the PC Clone industry to take off (and made IBM-compatible PCs actually affordable; before the clones took off, IBM's prices made Apple seem like a bargain).
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And yet Oracle ships an S3 compatibility API: https://docs.us-phoenix-1.oraclecloud.com/Content/Object/Tas...
Does anyone actually use the Oracle Cloud? From my attempts, it's only full of misery and broken tech.
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They did appeal, and the Supreme Court pretty much said they didn't want to look at this until a trial took place on the fair use question. Now that that's happened, I assume there will be another appeal to the Supreme Court.
I sure hope so. That decision definitely needs to be appealed. I very much hope it's overturned. (The industry has pretty much assumed - and acted - that APIs were not copyrightable, and that's worked out all right. Suddenly shifting to APIs being copyrightable is going to cause some change the rules under existing activity, in ways that it's hard yet to define the full scope of.) But even if it's not, the decision n…
This is a very important nuance. As I understand it, for the issues in this case that are outside the Federal Circuit's usual jurisdiction (patents), the Federal Circuit was supposed to rule however the local circuit (Ninth) would have ruled. The Ninth Circuit probably wouldn't declare APIs copyrightable, but the Federal Circuit did.
However, the Federal Circuit doesn't establish binding precedent for the Ninth Circuit on non-patent issues. That's part of why the Supreme Court didn't take up this case, and why many of the amicus briefs recommended against the Supreme Court taking up the case. Google gets screwed, but that ruling didn't have cause an immediate upheaval of copyright law in the jurisdiction that includes Silicon Valley and Redmond. All that their decision really established was an incentive to include bullshit patent claims in any copyright suit that pertains to APIs, so that you can get your appeals heard by the Federal Circuit instead of your local circuit.
Is this going to the Supreme Court or is this the final decision?
It's been sent back to the lower court to determine damages. After that Google can appeal to the Supreme Court if they can find some grounds on which to do so, and then the Supreme Court will decide whether to hear it or not.
I’m not sure if I have the timeline correct but I thought Java was owned by Sun Microsystems at the time when they made these decisions. I’m sure they rightly assumed Sun Microsystems would never do this. It is sad to see what Oracle is doing with Sun Microsystem’s creation.
It is sad. When I was young, about 16-19, I had a friend who worked for Sun Microsystems and he was an amazing mentor, and maybe twice a year I got to meet some of his colleagues too. They embodied 'the hacker' spirit that I believe hacker news represents - long grey hair, very open minded, very friendly, and loved being passionate about tech discussions while keeping an open mind and a willingness to be wrong. These…
How about we stop using Java. It's a terrible language anyways.
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They made billions of people access and use technology. Java was just a tool to help them achieve it. Sorry, your complaint is not really making sense here
It’s like I have a brand that makes widgets and gives out the plans to our widgets. Larry finds plans to one of my old widgets and builds it into his awesome product and millions of people learn how to use the old version of my widget. But my old widget kind of sucks and I’ve been releasing new widgets that fix a lot of issues. Millions of people are gnashing their teeth over the old widget but Larry won’t update whi…