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Lax regulation made it cheaper for China to outsource pork production to the US

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Re: Lax regulation made it cheaper for China to outsource pork production to the US

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Post by sudosteph »

lsaferite wrote: post #28
sageabilly wrote: post #24

One of the things this article doesn't touch on is the very deep roots of hog farming in rural NC and the general prevailing attitude of "This is how we've always done it and I don't want no gubment telling me what I can and can't do with my land!" There is a sense of pride in being a hog farmer like your daddy and your granpappy and your uncle and you hope to pass down those roots to your sons some day. As to why th…

I'll not argue the point you are making as I don't disagree. I would just like to say I find it highly annoying when people denigrate people from the south by using 'words' like 'gubment' and 'granpappy' as some sort of assumed indicator of intelligence level of the subject being discussed. You being from NC and using this same backhanded insult troubles me even more TBH. Do people from the south use those words, or…

I'm from NC too. I didn't really interpret those words in that context as implying low intelligence. Some people in NC do really talk that way. The stereotype that people who talk like that aren't educated or intelligent is a big problem, but I didn't interpret OPs comment as reinforcing that problem. It was a pretty accurate description of something people in NC hear often from a certain type of southerner. I interpreted it more as a "slice of life" or Mark Twain-esque description of informal speech to bring readers in. Readers can certainly bring their own prejudices in, but thats on them. I certainly don't doubt that we have very intelligent people in all parts. Heck, the one person I know from a hog producing family is very intelligent. Though you wont find a stronger voice against hog farming and the pollution and health problems it causes than her.

I'm just worried that by saying it's not ok to use aspects of southern dialect when describing southerners, that we reinforce the idea that there is something "wrong " with that dialect and are erasing a part of the local culture so it doesn't offend mainstream taste.

Re: Lax regulation made it cheaper for China to outsource pork production to the US

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Post by [deleted] »

lsaferite wrote: post #28
sageabilly wrote: post #24

One of the things this article doesn't touch on is the very deep roots of hog farming in rural NC and the general prevailing attitude of "This is how we've always done it and I don't want no gubment telling me what I can and can't do with my land!" There is a sense of pride in being a hog farmer like your daddy and your granpappy and your uncle and you hope to pass down those roots to your sons some day. As to why th…

I'll not argue the point you are making as I don't disagree. I would just like to say I find it highly annoying when people denigrate people from the south by using 'words' like 'gubment' and 'granpappy' as some sort of assumed indicator of intelligence level of the subject being discussed. You being from NC and using this same backhanded insult troubles me even more TBH. Do people from the south use those words, or…

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Re: Lax regulation made it cheaper for China to outsource pork production to the US

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Post by spacehome »

lsaferite wrote: post #28
sageabilly wrote: post #24

One of the things this article doesn't touch on is the very deep roots of hog farming in rural NC and the general prevailing attitude of "This is how we've always done it and I don't want no gubment telling me what I can and can't do with my land!" There is a sense of pride in being a hog farmer like your daddy and your granpappy and your uncle and you hope to pass down those roots to your sons some day. As to why th…

I'll not argue the point you are making as I don't disagree. I would just like to say I find it highly annoying when people denigrate people from the south by using 'words' like 'gubment' and 'granpappy' as some sort of assumed indicator of intelligence level of the subject being discussed. You being from NC and using this same backhanded insult troubles me even more TBH. Do people from the south use those words, or…

That really is the way it sounds (at least to my ears). Accent is unrelated to intelligence. The only person here making that connection is you.

Re: Lax regulation made it cheaper for China to outsource pork production to the US

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Post by HillaryBriss »

Clubber wrote: post #40
readhn wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fines do not work. Look at the banking sector: HSBC, JP etc. they get slapped with fines all the time but continue business as usual. Heavy taxation is a very quick way to make these types of socially and environmentally polluting business to change or to go away all together.

Fines do work, but they have to hurt. If people only got fined $1.00 for speeding rather than the usual $300, there'd be a hell of a lot more speeders. With the banks and investment institutions, the fines are typically only a small percentage of what the net of the move was. ($1.00 vs $300). Of course fines, only work so much. People still used drugs during the 80s and 90s when punishment was over the top (and still…

it's also important to consider the probability of actually being fined.

if the fine for using a freeway's high occupancy vehicle lane without any passengers in your car is over $350 but the police rarely ticket violators, you get Los Angeles.

Re: Lax regulation made it cheaper for China to outsource pork production to the US

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Post by eddieplan9 »

> This is due to less-expensive pig-feed prices and larger farms, but it's also because of loose business and environmental regulations, especially in red states, which have made the U.S. an increasingly attractive place for foreign companies to offshore costly and harmful business practices.

Come on. Chinese government does not give a shit about "offshore costly and harmful business practices". The price of pork in China is 3 times of that in the US not because the Chinese government has some stringent environmental protection scheme regarding hog farms. It's because corn is extremely cheap in the US. And yes, China is now also importing cheap corn to raise hogs domestically: https://www.agriculture.com/markets/newswire/china-buys-up-t...

And if you read Chinese: http://finance.sina.com.cn/chanjing/cyxw/2016-04-07/doc-ifxr...

Re: Lax regulation made it cheaper for China to outsource pork production to the US

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Post by IAmEveryone »

sageabilly wrote: post #24

One of the things this article doesn't touch on is the very deep roots of hog farming in rural NC and the general prevailing attitude of "This is how we've always done it and I don't want no gubment telling me what I can and can't do with my land!" There is a sense of pride in being a hog farmer like your daddy and your granpappy and your uncle and you hope to pass down those roots to your sons some day. As to why th…

I wonder if their grandparents also used copious amounts of antibiotics on their animals...

Re: Lax regulation made it cheaper for China to outsource pork production to the US

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Post by lsaferite »

spacehome wrote: post #43
lsaferite wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll not argue the point you are making as I don't disagree. I would just like to say I find it highly annoying when people denigrate people from the south by using 'words' like 'gubment' and 'granpappy' as some sort of assumed indicator of intelligence level of the subject being discussed. You being from NC and using this same backhanded insult troubles me even more TBH. Do people from the south use those words, or…

That really is the way it sounds (at least to my ears). Accent is unrelated to intelligence. The only person here making that connection is you.

No, I'm pointing out an association seen all across the internet unfortunately. This one was just the final straw for me. Any time someone wants to back-handedly disparage someone's intellect, they love to use words like 'gubment' or some variation. FWIW, I also take issue with the usage of 'Murica' as well as a blanket indicator. You are calling into question a person's intellect when using terminology like that and claiming otherwise is being dishonest to either yourself or everyone else. That being said, I fully understand that some people do actually speak like that due to regional dialects and documenting that in text is fine if that is your actual intent.

Re: Lax regulation made it cheaper for China to outsource pork production to the US

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Post by lsaferite »

sudosteph wrote: post #41
lsaferite wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll not argue the point you are making as I don't disagree. I would just like to say I find it highly annoying when people denigrate people from the south by using 'words' like 'gubment' and 'granpappy' as some sort of assumed indicator of intelligence level of the subject being discussed. You being from NC and using this same backhanded insult troubles me even more TBH. Do people from the south use those words, or…

I'm from NC too. I didn't really interpret those words in that context as implying low intelligence. Some people in NC do really talk that way. The stereotype that people who talk like that aren't educated or intelligent is a big problem, but I didn't interpret OPs comment as reinforcing that problem. It was a pretty accurate description of something people in NC hear often from a certain type of southerner. I interp…

I would never say it's not ok to document regional speech patterns. My point was that the GP comment went past documenting and into mocking (IMO). That's what I take issue with personally.

Re: Lax regulation made it cheaper for China to outsource pork production to the US

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Post by lsaferite »

spacehome wrote: post #43
lsaferite wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll not argue the point you are making as I don't disagree. I would just like to say I find it highly annoying when people denigrate people from the south by using 'words' like 'gubment' and 'granpappy' as some sort of assumed indicator of intelligence level of the subject being discussed. You being from NC and using this same backhanded insult troubles me even more TBH. Do people from the south use those words, or…

That really is the way it sounds (at least to my ears). Accent is unrelated to intelligence. The only person here making that connection is you.

How about this:

> One of the things this article doesn't touch on is the very deep roots of hog farming in rural NC and the general prevailing attitude of "This is how we've always done it and I don't want no gubment telling me what I can and can't do with my land!"

vs.

One of the things this article doesn't touch on is the very deep roots of hog farming in rural NC and the general prevailing attitude that this is how they've always done it and that they don't want the government telling them what they can and can't do with their land.

By fabricating a direct quote purporting to be from a local hog farmer you are pointing out the dialect difference to put them into a group of people that are stereotyped as lower intelligence. You are meant to read that in your internal 'dumb southerner' accent and chuckle at how backwards they are in your opinion.

For you to say "Accent is unrelated to intelligence" is great and I commend you on that outlook. Unfortunately, a large portion of the crowd online doesn't share your enlightened view. For them, only ignorant people speak like that. By using that 'quote' to highlight the speech pattern, they are attempting to disparage the quotee and their peer group.

Re: Lax regulation made it cheaper for China to outsource pork production to the US

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Post by nasredin »

DataWorker wrote: post #32
lsaferite wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll not argue the point you are making as I don't disagree. I would just like to say I find it highly annoying when people denigrate people from the south by using 'words' like 'gubment' and 'granpappy' as some sort of assumed indicator of intelligence level of the subject being discussed. You being from NC and using this same backhanded insult troubles me even more TBH. Do people from the south use those words, or…

Thanks for making this point. People who would never even consider mocking the speech patterns of immigrants will fall all over themselves to denigrate southerners, thier speech and deplorable, to some, religious beliefs.

They are probably mocking their hypocritical, not "deplorable" religious beliefs.

That word IME is not used by anybody but the people complaining about it.

E.g. Judge Roy Moore in Alabama.

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