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Oracle Wins Revival of Billion-Dollar Case Against Google

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Re: Oracle Wins Revival of Billion-Dollar Case Against Google

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Post by vijaybritto »

BoorishBears wrote: post #6
bitcharmer wrote: post #3

It's a shame that there was no one like judge Alsup in the appeals court. Now it's about legal phrases and licensing terms instead of common sense all over again.

Unpopular opinion: I feel Google should be punished for what they did to Java. Maybe the mechanism being used is wrong, but Android bastardized Java and as an Android developer I feel real damage has been done to the health of the Java ecosystem by having billions of devices run fragmented Java-but-not-Java. Google has started to make it right with the switch to openJDK and Desugar, but in a lot of ways it’s too litt…

They made billions of people access and use technology. Java was just a tool to help them achieve it. Sorry, your complaint is not really making sense here

Re: Oracle Wins Revival of Billion-Dollar Case Against Google

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Post by ProAm »

todd3834 wrote: post #5

I’m not sure if I have the timeline correct but I thought Java was owned by Sun Microsystems at the time when they made these decisions. I’m sure they rightly assumed Sun Microsystems would never do this. It is sad to see what Oracle is doing with Sun Microsystem’s creation.

This is what Oracle does with every acquisition. You wring as much revenue out of a product as possible and when you cant get anymore you toss it aside and go acquire another product/company. This is what will happen to Netsuite which was recently acquired.

Re: Oracle Wins Revival of Billion-Dollar Case Against Google

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Post by malux85 »

todd3834 wrote: post #5

I’m not sure if I have the timeline correct but I thought Java was owned by Sun Microsystems at the time when they made these decisions. I’m sure they rightly assumed Sun Microsystems would never do this. It is sad to see what Oracle is doing with Sun Microsystem’s creation.

It is sad. When I was young, about 16-19, I had a friend who worked for Sun Microsystems and he was an amazing mentor, and maybe twice a year I got to meet some of his colleagues too. They embodied 'the hacker' spirit that I believe hacker news represents - long grey hair, very open minded, very friendly, and loved being passionate about tech discussions while keeping an open mind and a willingness to be wrong.

These people turned me into who I am today by showing me a form of non-vain, open, intellectual curiosity that I try and emulate - the persons age, race, gender, religion -- all irrelevant -- it was about the ideas. Though they would look down on you if you used the wrong editor (go vi!) but they would smile and show you the way.

Re: Oracle Wins Revival of Billion-Dollar Case Against Google

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Post by wstrange »

BoorishBears wrote: post #6
bitcharmer wrote: post #3

It's a shame that there was no one like judge Alsup in the appeals court. Now it's about legal phrases and licensing terms instead of common sense all over again.

Unpopular opinion: I feel Google should be punished for what they did to Java. Maybe the mechanism being used is wrong, but Android bastardized Java and as an Android developer I feel real damage has been done to the health of the Java ecosystem by having billions of devices run fragmented Java-but-not-Java. Google has started to make it right with the switch to openJDK and Desugar, but in a lot of ways it’s too litt…

Android arguably saved Java by making it much more relevant than it otherwise would have been.

Re: Oracle Wins Revival of Billion-Dollar Case Against Google

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Post by snarf21 »

todd3834 wrote: post #5

I’m not sure if I have the timeline correct but I thought Java was owned by Sun Microsystems at the time when they made these decisions. I’m sure they rightly assumed Sun Microsystems would never do this. It is sad to see what Oracle is doing with Sun Microsystem’s creation.

It is beyond sad. Oracle bought Sun exclusively to sue Google for its use of Java in Android. (I know someone involved in the lawsuits.) We really need to fix our patent system on the software side.

Re: Oracle Wins Revival of Billion-Dollar Case Against Google

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Post by protonimitate »

DarkCrusader2 wrote: post #2

> The case was remanded to a federal court in California to determine how much the Alphabet Inc. unit should pay. No Google is not going to pay billion dollars, not yet. Very clickbaity title.

Title is perfectly accurate imo.

The case originally had Oracle seeking 8.8b in damages. Oracle won the revival. Therefore Oracle won the revival of a billion dollar case.

The title does not state or imply that google will pay the full amount, only that the case is not dead.

I know, click bait is bad, but it really irks me that people on HN are so quick to pull the 'click-bait' card for no reason.

Would a different title really change anyone's interpretation of the article? I don't think so.

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