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GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by cptskippy »

yoz-y wrote: post #29

GIMP was the first advanced image editor I have used. I grew quite fond of it and its tools. Nowadays I have moved away from it because it does not play well with macOS, but still return to it when I am on a Linux box. For me, GIMP has always excelled in making simple actions simple. Even today I am quite surprised that other software has not taken some of the ideas for interface that gimp has. Mainly: - The selectio…

I've always been frustrated by the GIMP interface. I started out using Corel PhotoPaint in the 1990s and used it through version 5 which was about the time it lost parity with Adobe Photoshop.

Adobe Photoshop and GIMP's interfaces have always felt clunky and non-intuitive to me. I use Photoshop occasionally at work and GIMP at home and really don't enjoy or look forward to using either. I actually try to stay in Inkscape as much as possible with everything I do these days.

That being said, GIMP is capable and it's fantastic for the price. I just don't like it.

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by lovelearning »

gilrain wrote: post #66
lovelearning wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's with the entitlement here? These are people sacrificing their time and going largely unpaid (AFAIK) for their efforts. I for one am happy and grateful that these "dodgy" open source evangelists exist and offer us all a choice for free. If I have a subjective usability problem with their software, far more constructive to take the effort to try and fix it myself than complain like a diva.

The "entitlement" is from people who are frustrated that the open source software movement lacks such a fundamental piece of the desktop software puzzle. The confrontation comes from the fact that one side insists the software is there (GIMP), whereas the other side view them as disconnected from reality since its use in industry rounds to 0%.

I don't see why perceived usage share in industry should motivate dissing open source devs. GIMP has a user base and fans who obviously think it's good enough for their needs. If the professionals in the industry and their employers have a need for an all-in-one free software that can do everything - image editing, illustrations, maybe throw in 3D and animations while we are at it - then the industry should contribute towards building it. All the building blocks are available, thanks to those dodgy open source devs.

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by yoz-y »

athorax wrote: post #51
yoz-y wrote: post #29

GIMP was the first advanced image editor I have used. I grew quite fond of it and its tools. Nowadays I have moved away from it because it does not play well with macOS, but still return to it when I am on a Linux box. For me, GIMP has always excelled in making simple actions simple. Even today I am quite surprised that other software has not taken some of the ideas for interface that gimp has. Mainly: - The selectio…

Out of curiosity, what issues do you see on macOS? I use it fairly rarely for minor editing, but haven't hit any real issues with it

My main issue is actually very non-technical. After I have switched to macOS I've started to put more and more importance to the consistency of the interface. GIMP is very different as it is not rendered using native Cocoa widgets. Things like non-native open/save dialog, clipboard support and drag and drop. It also felt quite slow, compared to when I used it on Linux.

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by qwerty456127 »

billfruit wrote: post #41
qwerty456127 wrote: post #22

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Paint.NET is by far the best the best picture editor I've seen. Not nearly as feature-reach as GIMP or Photoshop so not an option for graphics professionals but for casual usage - it's bloody amazing, extremely intuitive in particular. I use Pinta on Linux and Mac - it's not as great as the original Paint.NET but still very handy while GIMP is like vim - you have to study it before you can use it (and you are going t…

Paint.Net didn't even have customizable keyboard shortcuts last time I used it. I would consider it far behind GIMP in feature completeness.

In feature completeness - obviously. In usability - hardly.

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by Joeboy »

anthonybennis wrote: post #5

I use GIMP regularly, and always impressed at the quality of the tool and the amount of features it has. Looking forward to the v2.10 release. Anyone know where I can download a Windows build of the release candidate? Can't seem to find a link on the website.

In theory https://www.gimp.org/downloads/devel/ , but it currently says "Note: the currently available package provides GIMP 2.9.8 and has not yet updated to the lastet version, GIMP 2.10.0-RC1. We're working on that, please check back later."

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by nkkollaw »

avian wrote: post #23
nkkollaw wrote: post #8

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You did and will keep getting downvoted (like my comment below about GIMP's usability will), but you're absolutely right. This is another case where developers decide what's cool, and of course pick features that are cool to them, not their users. Not once in my life would I ever think I'm missing that feature in GIMP.

Did you stop to think that perhaps GIMP's developers are in fact its users? I'm an engineer and I draw as a hobby. I don't mind developer-oriented features in my drawing program. If I wanted Photoshop, I would be using that.

> Did you stop to think that perhaps GIMP's developers are in fact its users?

GIMP's users aren't the handful of developers who develop GIMP. GIMP's users would be people that switch to Linux and are looking for an alternative to Photoshop. GIMP is for some reason referred to them as the go-to for image manipulation on Linux so they try it, and when they can't use it they either install Photoshop via Wine or go back to Windows.

I don't know why people recommend GIMP instead of Pinta or more usable software, honestly.

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by dagw »

pavs wrote: post #70
Joeboy wrote: post #64

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I googled "Photoshop alternative" and GIMP was suggested in the first five hits (I stopped checking after that). There's this annoying FLOSS motte-and-bailey conversation that you see over and over again that starts with "X is a Free replacement for Y!" and ends with "Why don't you fix it yourself then?", via "Nobody ever said X was a replacement for Y".

An alternative option for PS is not same as being feature parity replacement of PS. PS is a commercial image editor owned by a company with billions of dollars and many years worth of commercial development and improvements - it is used by a very specific group of users with specific needs and specific skills. And they don't mind paying a hefty fee for it. GIMP (and other similar OS projects) is for everyone else, wh…

GIMP (and other similar OS projects) is for everyone else, who wants to do light image editing in an amateur setting without having to pay a large amount for it

Except that isn't really true either. If you want to do "light image editing in an amateur setting" GIMP is massive overkill, and there are plenty of easier to use tools. GIMP lives in a strange limbo between not 'light' enough for light work and not heavy enough for 'heavy' work.

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by besasam »

andrewshadura wrote: post #50
punkbit wrote: post #44

Side note: GIMP user here that has recently moved to a new image editor called Affinity Photo and Affinity Designer, that is super cheap and I highly recommend it to anyone who's looking for a good quality Photoshop and Illustrator alternative, with new ideas and concepts; They are doing an amazing job!

I presume it's not free software. It's a deal breaker for many, including myself.

It's a bit of a dilemma, isn't it. I would love an alternative to Photoshop or Affinity that actually offers the same features and has a nice UI (let's be real, it's something most free applications really lack... and the look and feel of the software I'm using has high priority for me) but those who actually want these things aren't the ones developing, and the ones developing apparently don't place a lot of importance on it.

We really need more interdisciplinary developers and free software enthusiasts. I know I'm already working on it as an artist-turned-coder :D

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by worble »

punkbit wrote: post #44

Side note: GIMP user here that has recently moved to a new image editor called Affinity Photo and Affinity Designer, that is super cheap and I highly recommend it to anyone who's looking for a good quality Photoshop and Illustrator alternative, with new ideas and concepts; They are doing an amazing job!

Is there a demo version? I couldn't find one quickly navigating their site. I'm hesitant to drop money on something like this without at least being able to try it out first.
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