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GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by paulie_a »

bitwize wrote: post #52
avian wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you stop to think that perhaps GIMP's developers are in fact its users? I'm an engineer and I draw as a hobby. I don't mind developer-oriented features in my drawing program. If I wanted Photoshop, I would be using that.

You may not mind developer-oriented features, but the vast, vast majority of artists do . This is why Photoshop wins. Adobe has customers , and Photoshop's devs have to either listen to the customers, or be fired.

Last time I checked, Photoshop and most of adobe's products barely function on a 4k device, yet Gimp works nicely.

It's astounding that a company that makes graphics software can't support modern hardware at all.

But I guess they are the company that can't fix the tremendous piece of shit known as flash

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by app4soft »

I use AppImage[0] builds[1] for testing development builds without install. Here[2] is latest nightly build from GIMP 2.10.x branch.

[0] http://appimage.github.io/apps

[1] https://github.com/aferrero2707/gimp-appimage/releases/tag/c...

[2] https://github.com/aferrero2707/gimp-appimage/releases/downl...

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by callahad »

gilrain wrote: post #45
callahad wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Krita ( https://krita.org ) is 12 years old, and just released version 4.0 last week. HN comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16647445

And if you complain that Krita lacks photo manipulation features, you're told "Of course, because Krita is only targeted at illustrators!" The open source evangelists always have a dodge.

And that's a completely legitimate response.

Krita is targeted at artists and illustrators, just like any other specialized tool. People don't look at Vim and complain that lacks desktop publishing features, despite novelists and programmers both needing to manipulate text.

The original complaint regarded tools for artists, and that's Krita. For photographers, there's DarkTable (https://www.darktable.org/), RawTherapee (http://www.rawtherapee.com/), and many others. For my modest needs, I find DigiKam (and occasionally The GIMP) adequate, though I am envious of proprietary tools.

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by Joeboy »

zzzcpan wrote: post #57
laurent123456 wrote: post #47

I've tried to use GIMP over several years but never got used to it. Things like resizing and transforming layers, applying filters, etc. are too cumbersome. Many tools also don't have a live preview, which means there's many attempts before getting the needed result. Now I'm back to Photoshop CS3 from 11 years ago, yet many years ahead of today's GIMP. It has smart objects and filters, layer effects, live previews an…

Well, Gimp was never a replacement for photoshop.

I googled "Photoshop alternative" and GIMP was suggested in the first five hits (I stopped checking after that).

There's this annoying FLOSS motte-and-bailey conversation that you see over and over again that starts with "X is a Free replacement for Y!" and ends with "Why don't you fix it yourself then?", via "Nobody ever said X was a replacement for Y".

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by yiyus »

hisham_hm wrote: post #32
damyyy wrote: post #14

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This is just a myth. You make it sound like there was some purposeful intention to gimp and gtk. There was not. Gimp was created by some kids at berkeley who created gtk because at the time qt and motif had untenable cost and or licensing, or sucked. When the gnome project started years later gtk was chosen due to licensing considerations since ironically qt was “too free” ie pure gpl which limited its use in closed…

> gtk was chosen due to licensing considerations since ironically qt was “too free” ie pure gpl which limited its use in closed source software without licensing This is wrong. GNOME was already well underway when Qt switched to GPL. Before that it used QPL and before that yet another license.

Indeed, there even was an attempt to produce an open source clone of Qt for KDE when Gnome was still getting started: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmony_(toolkit)

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by gilrain »

lovelearning wrote: post #59
gilrain wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if you complain that Krita lacks photo manipulation features, you're told "Of course, because Krita is only targeted at illustrators!" The open source evangelists always have a dodge.

What's with the entitlement here? These are people sacrificing their time and going largely unpaid (AFAIK) for their efforts. I for one am happy and grateful that these "dodgy" open source evangelists exist and offer us all a choice for free. If I have a subjective usability problem with their software, far more constructive to take the effort to try and fix it myself than complain like a diva.

The "entitlement" is from people who are frustrated that the open source software movement lacks such a fundamental piece of the desktop software puzzle.

The confrontation comes from the fact that one side insists the software is there (GIMP), whereas the other side view them as disconnected from reality since its use in industry rounds to 0%.

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by seba_dos1 »

laurent123456 wrote: post #47

I've tried to use GIMP over several years but never got used to it. Things like resizing and transforming layers, applying filters, etc. are too cumbersome. Many tools also don't have a live preview, which means there's many attempts before getting the needed result. Now I'm back to Photoshop CS3 from 11 years ago, yet many years ahead of today's GIMP. It has smart objects and filters, layer effects, live previews an…

On the other side, I learned GIMP as my first graphics editor quite easily, while I got lost every time I sat with Photoshop to do even the simplest things.

I work in a team of two on a game with an artist that uses Photoshop and as I sometimes look behind their arm, I see lots of UI conventions that GIMP just does so much better and easier, especially when it comes to selecting and placing stuff around. However, I do envy some of the features like live effects on layers that would actually make my life as GIMP user so much easier; and using effects in GIMP generally isn't as pleasant as it should be.

For me it looks like both come with their own strengths and weaknesses and both would benefit from copying some ideas from each other.

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by vbezhenar »

yoz-y wrote: post #29

GIMP was the first advanced image editor I have used. I grew quite fond of it and its tools. Nowadays I have moved away from it because it does not play well with macOS, but still return to it when I am on a Linux box. For me, GIMP has always excelled in making simple actions simple. Even today I am quite surprised that other software has not taken some of the ideas for interface that gimp has. Mainly: - The selectio…

> - Color to transparency is a single button

This is huge. I've used Pixelmator because I liked its UI, but even simplest tasks like this one were unnecessary hard. I kept Gimp just for this.

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by gilrain »

callahad wrote: post #63
gilrain wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if you complain that Krita lacks photo manipulation features, you're told "Of course, because Krita is only targeted at illustrators!" The open source evangelists always have a dodge.

And that's a completely legitimate response. Krita is targeted at artists and illustrators, just like any other specialized tool. People don't look at Vim and complain that lacks desktop publishing features, despite novelists and programmers both needing to manipulate text. The original complaint regarded tools for artists, and that's Krita. For photographers, there's DarkTable ( https://www.darktable.org/ ), RawTher…

And when we complain about usability issues and lack of features in those programs (such as GIMP!), we're told that there are lots of open source alternatives; for instance, look how slick Krita is!

And thus the cyclical debate continues for another turn while a competitive raster editor remains unavailable in the open source ecosystem.

Re: GIMP 2.10.0 Release Candidate 1 Released

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Post by pavs »

Joeboy wrote: post #64
zzzcpan wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, Gimp was never a replacement for photoshop.

I googled "Photoshop alternative" and GIMP was suggested in the first five hits (I stopped checking after that). There's this annoying FLOSS motte-and-bailey conversation that you see over and over again that starts with "X is a Free replacement for Y!" and ends with "Why don't you fix it yourself then?", via "Nobody ever said X was a replacement for Y".

An alternative option for PS is not same as being feature parity replacement of PS.

PS is a commercial image editor owned by a company with billions of dollars and many years worth of commercial development and improvements - it is used by a very specific group of users with specific needs and specific skills. And they don't mind paying a hefty fee for it.

GIMP (and other similar OS projects) is for everyone else, who wants to do light image editing in an amateur setting without having to pay a large amount for it.

Having said that - GIMP has some very powerful features that are as good as PS, but not a feature parity replacement of it. Nor do I think GIMP has the funding or the development mind-share to achieve that.

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