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Lax regulation made it cheaper for China to outsource pork production to the US

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Re: Lax regulation made it cheaper for China to outsource pork production to the US

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Post by moate »

readhn wrote: post #8

Very Easy solution: Classify this type of meat manufacturing business as highly polluting and TAX it a lot until they become clean and green, ONLY then lower taxes. Yes short term it will increase meat prices, so what? Folks will be forced to eat more veggies which is a good thing.

Oh man, you had a great point until you went off and decided to become a self-righteous douche at the end there. Just couldn't stick the dismount...

To your point: I think the better mechanism isn't taxation, but regulation/fines. And there was regulation in place, but one of the points of the articles is that government officials in these areas 1- tend to be controlled by these massive industries and 2- push legislation to gut the regulations in the interest of "job creation" (read- increased corporate profits)

Re: Lax regulation made it cheaper for China to outsource pork production to the US

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Post by trextrex »

mido22 wrote: post #7

I don't care what the article says, couldn't the headline have used "shit", "bad" or anything else instead of "developing world"? (despite being thick-skinned) I find it offensive

Agreed. There is a very condescending implication that in "developing countries" everything universally is shitty.

Re: Lax regulation made it cheaper for China to outsource pork production to the US

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Post by moate »

mido22 wrote: post #7

I don't care what the article says, couldn't the headline have used "shit", "bad" or anything else instead of "developing world"? (despite being thick-skinned) I find it offensive

Sure, but the idea of "developing economies" is an actual thing in economic theory. And what the industries are doing is being exploitative in the same way that many nations use globalization as a way to exploit poorer, less established economic players.

There are nations who came to the globalization table later or who haven't put together an economic plan that provides a high quality of living for their citizens. What would you prefer we call those nations?

Re: Lax regulation made it cheaper for China to outsource pork production to the US

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Post by klunger »

"More than just America's environment and human health is at stake. "Low-paying jobs, like hog slaughtering and breeding, will remain in places like Duplin County, but the higher-paid executive and marketing jobs will be lost," says Usha Haley, a professor at West Virginia University who has studied the Chinese takeover of American agricultural assets for a decade. "

So... exactly like how many products are designed and managed in the US, but manufactured in Chinese factories? Globalization goes both ways, especially since we seem to be competing in a race to the bottom, with looser and looser environmental and labor laws.

Re: Lax regulation made it cheaper for China to outsource pork production to the US

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Post by readhn »

moate wrote: post #11
readhn wrote: post #8

Very Easy solution: Classify this type of meat manufacturing business as highly polluting and TAX it a lot until they become clean and green, ONLY then lower taxes. Yes short term it will increase meat prices, so what? Folks will be forced to eat more veggies which is a good thing.

Oh man, you had a great point until you went off and decided to become a self-righteous douche at the end there. Just couldn't stick the dismount... To your point: I think the better mechanism isn't taxation, but regulation/fines. And there was regulation in place, but one of the points of the articles is that government officials in these areas 1- tend to be controlled by these massive industries and 2- push legisla…

Fines do not work. Look at the banking sector: HSBC, JP etc. they get slapped with fines all the time but continue business as usual.

Heavy taxation is a very quick way to make these types of socially and environmentally polluting business to change or to go away all together.

Re: Lax regulation made it cheaper for China to outsource pork production to the US

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Post by EGreg »

adventured wrote: post #5
Dirlewanger wrote: post #2

Globalization: it works both ways! We can exploit rural Chinese and they can exploit rural Americans.

And when we decide this is an inconvenient arrangement and no longer in the national interest, we'll just steal the asset back from China against their will with minimum or no compensation, like they routinely do to Western corporations (see: Yahoo & Ant Financial). That's how it works, right?

You mean nationalize a resource owned and 90% of value extracted by a foreign state-connected entity? You can only do that if you can withstand a war, coup or astroturfed revolution.

And it seems after the Arab Spring, you don't even need to do step 1 anymore. Got Putin quaking since 2011.

Re: Lax regulation made it cheaper for China to outsource pork production to the US

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Post by mido22 »

moate wrote: post #13
mido22 wrote: post #7

I don't care what the article says, couldn't the headline have used "shit", "bad" or anything else instead of "developing world"? (despite being thick-skinned) I find it offensive

Sure, but the idea of "developing economies" is an actual thing in economic theory. And what the industries are doing is being exploitative in the same way that many nations use globalization as a way to exploit poorer, less established economic players. There are nations who came to the globalization table later or who haven't put together an economic plan that provides a high quality of living for their citizens. W…

so you are saying USA provides high quality standard of living for all it's citizens?

Re: Lax regulation made it cheaper for China to outsource pork production to the US

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Post by brockers »

Laugh all you want, but I just got done talking to one of these NC pig farmers yesterday and he is in the process of converting the sewage into methane gas for electrical production. Local, community electricity, with a lower CO2 footprint than Methane!!?!

Re: Lax regulation made it cheaper for China to outsource pork production to the US

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Post by svrtknst »

Well.. Between the economy, the health sector, the infrastructure, the political developments, the education, the state of civil rights, the widespread religious influences at all levels of society and a culture of armed violence ...

Who's to say that the US, by and large, isn't a developing nation?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-develop...

Re: Lax regulation made it cheaper for China to outsource pork production to the US

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Post by dang »

pjc50 wrote: post #10

Bizarre headline. North Carolina has been an agricultural extractive export economy with all that goes along with that since the founding of the state. This isn't China, this is NC doing it to itself. It doesn't help that NC has developing world levels of corrupt gerrymandered politics.

We've changed that title to the (presumably) more representative subtitle.
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