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Logs in High Sierra Show Plaintext Password for APFS Encrypted External Volumes

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Re: Logs in High Sierra Show Plaintext Password for APFS Encrypted External Volumes

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Post by rimliu »

jakobegger wrote: post #52
ggg9990 wrote: post #28

Windows users have long waited a year to install new versions. If Mac users did the same they would have fewer such problems.

Lots of Mac users wait before they upgrade. (Myself included) I recently looked at stats for my app, and only around 60% of my users are on 10.13, 30% on 10.12, and 10% on older versions. If you use your Mac professionally, there‘s no point in updating every year — it‘s always a hassle and a few weeks of upgrading 3rd party software and fixing random things that don‘t work any more.

If we are sharing anecdotes: it was never a hassle for me.

Re: Logs in High Sierra Show Plaintext Password for APFS Encrypted External Volumes

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Post by srigi »

MertsA wrote: post #58

What exactly happened to macOS development at Apple? There's always bad luck but Apple has had multiple very visible and very serious vulnerabilities over the last few quarters. They've made multiple grave errors with encrypted volumes. I don't think Microsoft with Bitlocker or Linux with dm-crypt has ever made mistakes as bad as Apple has made here and multiple other times. Forget the stability issues, a lot of the…

In my honest opinion senior developers quit from Apple long time ago (or was fired).

Then missing labor force was quickly reinforced by rushed hires of unskilled juniors.

Re: Logs in High Sierra Show Plaintext Password for APFS Encrypted External Volumes

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Post by fitzroy »

MertsA wrote: post #58

What exactly happened to macOS development at Apple? There's always bad luck but Apple has had multiple very visible and very serious vulnerabilities over the last few quarters. They've made multiple grave errors with encrypted volumes. I don't think Microsoft with Bitlocker or Linux with dm-crypt has ever made mistakes as bad as Apple has made here and multiple other times. Forget the stability issues, a lot of the…

> Why does it seem like there's no real oversight on macOS development anymore?

It may seem like that, but don't forget 15 years ago Mac OS X 10.3 erased external FireWire drives.

http://kottke.org/03/10/important-glitch-in-apples-panther-e...

https://web.archive.org/web/20031202034911/http://www.apple....

Re: Logs in High Sierra Show Plaintext Password for APFS Encrypted External Volumes

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Post by FridgeSeal »

MertsA wrote: post #58

What exactly happened to macOS development at Apple? There's always bad luck but Apple has had multiple very visible and very serious vulnerabilities over the last few quarters. They've made multiple grave errors with encrypted volumes. I don't think Microsoft with Bitlocker or Linux with dm-crypt has ever made mistakes as bad as Apple has made here and multiple other times. Forget the stability issues, a lot of the…

Didn't Apple essentially get rid of their MacOS team by taking them off it full time and putting them into the iOS team? (So they essentially had to apply their time between the 2).

Re: Logs in High Sierra Show Plaintext Password for APFS Encrypted External Volumes

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Post by lloeki »

fitzroy wrote: post #64
MertsA wrote: post #58

What exactly happened to macOS development at Apple? There's always bad luck but Apple has had multiple very visible and very serious vulnerabilities over the last few quarters. They've made multiple grave errors with encrypted volumes. I don't think Microsoft with Bitlocker or Linux with dm-crypt has ever made mistakes as bad as Apple has made here and multiple other times. Forget the stability issues, a lot of the…

> Why does it seem like there's no real oversight on macOS development anymore? It may seem like that, but don't forget 15 years ago Mac OS X 10.3 erased external FireWire drives. http://kottke.org/03/10/important-glitch-in-apples-panther-e... https://web.archive.org/web/20031202034911/http://www.apple....

> external

An upgrade to the beloved 10.6 could potentially outright rm -rf your home dir. I was unaffected but it did make me retrospectively shiver when I learned about that bug post-upgrade.

Still, the frequency of those goofups seems to be getting worse, possibly amplified by the growing expectations in what looks like to be an increasingly hostile digital environment.

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Post by vbezhenar »

MertsA wrote: post #58

What exactly happened to macOS development at Apple? There's always bad luck but Apple has had multiple very visible and very serious vulnerabilities over the last few quarters. They've made multiple grave errors with encrypted volumes. I don't think Microsoft with Bitlocker or Linux with dm-crypt has ever made mistakes as bad as Apple has made here and multiple other times. Forget the stability issues, a lot of the…

I think that they want more features to differentiate their OS. And with focus on features quality will be inevitably lost, because sometimes you must stop, review stuff, refactor, fix all bugs, but it takes time and it's hard to justify that time to management which wants more features, not "useless" work. Current situation with Apple seems like a classic example of technical debt striking back.

Re: Logs in High Sierra Show Plaintext Password for APFS Encrypted External Volumes

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Post by lloeki »

coldtea wrote: post #22
akhatri_aus wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sloppy and marketed as a stability build. There were hardly any new features in it.

Yeah, they just deployed a whole new FS to 100s of millions of users, in record time, with almost zero incidents. Hardly any new features...

> with almost zero incidents.

Sparse files are hopelessly broken, prompting Docker for Mac to roll back to qcow2 when using APFS[0] (HFS+ sparse files are fine).

[0]: https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-mac/release-notes/#docker...

EDIT: reference

Re: Logs in High Sierra Show Plaintext Password for APFS Encrypted External Volumes

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Post by lloeki »

jakobegger wrote: post #52
ggg9990 wrote: post #28

Windows users have long waited a year to install new versions. If Mac users did the same they would have fewer such problems.

Lots of Mac users wait before they upgrade. (Myself included) I recently looked at stats for my app, and only around 60% of my users are on 10.13, 30% on 10.12, and 10% on older versions. If you use your Mac professionally, there‘s no point in updating every year — it‘s always a hassle and a few weeks of upgrading 3rd party software and fixing random things that don‘t work any more.

It seems quite a lot of people around here have a thing for El Capitan. Coincidentally this is the last one called "OS X".

Re: Logs in High Sierra Show Plaintext Password for APFS Encrypted External Volumes

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Post by vvhn »

lloeki wrote: post #68
coldtea wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, they just deployed a whole new FS to 100s of millions of users, in record time, with almost zero incidents. Hardly any new features...

> with almost zero incidents. Sparse files are hopelessly broken, prompting Docker for Mac to roll back to qcow2 when using APFS[0] (HFS+ sparse files are fine). [0]: https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-mac/release-notes/#docker... EDIT: reference

HFS+ sparse files - now that’s a contradiction in terms.
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