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Re: Microsoft Bans “Offensive Language” from Skype

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3chelon wrote: post #26
the_trapper wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's because the issue is a lot more complicated than that. I'm going to make the assumption that you are not from the United States. In a lot of ways the United States is not like the rest of the western world. The right to bear arms was so important to our founding fathers that it is the Second Amendment to our Constitution (right after the guarantee of freedom of speech, religion, etc.). The fact that American c…

You're right in guessing I'm not American, and I do appreciate you have a fairly unique situation there with the Second Amendment and the sheer number of guns already in circulation. But, a while ago everyone outside the US thought it was only a few right-wing NRA extremists that would claim arming teachers was the solution to the school shootings problem. But now you have a president threatening to pass it into law.…

> If fewer guns is really not the answer, then how many guns do you think you'll need to eradicate gun violence?

Even Europe with its in my humble opinion draconian gun control has not eradicated gun violence.

If gun control is the answer, why is it failing Brazil? They are actually considering making their gun laws more in line with ours. [1] They have a violence problem that is very likely a glimpse into the future of an America with European or Australian-style gun control.

The guns are not committing acts of violence, the people pulling their triggers are. To solve the gun violence problem, we need to understand why people desire to commit an act of violence.

[1] http://time.com/4108421/brazil-u-s-gun-culture/

Re: Microsoft Bans “Offensive Language” from Skype

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dragonwriter wrote: post #40
ropeadopepope wrote: post #38

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> The vast majority of my 2nd Amendment-supporting friends seem to support Trump, whose authoritarian statements and actions are like nothing seen in a US President. Except for Obama, you mean? Trump hasn't done anything so far that Obama hasn't also done.

> Trump hasn't done anything so far that Obama hasn't also done. This is obviously literally false (virtually all of Trump's official acts have been things that Obama did not do), and I can't see any obvious relevant non-literal sense where it is true. Even in a narrow sense of authoritarian approaches to gun rights, the Trump bump stock ban is an action that was specifically rejected by the Obama Administration, not…

When I think of authoritarian Presidential actions, I think more of drone striking U.S. citizens without due process. [1] However, you're right the bump stock ban does feel like an overreach of the executive branch.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki

Re: Microsoft Bans “Offensive Language” from Skype

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Post by dragonwriter »

the_trapper wrote: post #42
dragonwriter wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Trump hasn't done anything so far that Obama hasn't also done. This is obviously literally false (virtually all of Trump's official acts have been things that Obama did not do), and I can't see any obvious relevant non-literal sense where it is true. Even in a narrow sense of authoritarian approaches to gun rights, the Trump bump stock ban is an action that was specifically rejected by the Obama Administration, not…

When I think of authoritarian Presidential actions, I think more of drone striking U.S. citizens without due process. [1] However, you're right the bump stock ban does feel like an overreach of the executive branch. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki

> When I think of authoritarian Presidential actions, I think more of drone striking U.S. citizens without due process.

The power of the President to wage war under a Congressional authorization, including when those fighting for the enemy include US citizens, is pretty firmly established.

It's one of the reasons you really don't want Congress passing ludicrously broad authorizations and leaving them in force permanently.

Re: Microsoft Bans “Offensive Language” from Skype

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Post by ropeadopepope »

dragonwriter wrote: post #40
ropeadopepope wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The vast majority of my 2nd Amendment-supporting friends seem to support Trump, whose authoritarian statements and actions are like nothing seen in a US President. Except for Obama, you mean? Trump hasn't done anything so far that Obama hasn't also done.

> Trump hasn't done anything so far that Obama hasn't also done. This is obviously literally false (virtually all of Trump's official acts have been things that Obama did not do), and I can't see any obvious relevant non-literal sense where it is true. Even in a narrow sense of authoritarian approaches to gun rights, the Trump bump stock ban is an action that was specifically rejected by the Obama Administration, not…

> virtually all of Trump's official acts have been things that Obama did not do

examples?

Re: Microsoft Bans “Offensive Language” from Skype

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Post by dragonwriter »

ropeadopepope wrote: post #44
dragonwriter wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Trump hasn't done anything so far that Obama hasn't also done. This is obviously literally false (virtually all of Trump's official acts have been things that Obama did not do), and I can't see any obvious relevant non-literal sense where it is true. Even in a narrow sense of authoritarian approaches to gun rights, the Trump bump stock ban is an action that was specifically rejected by the Obama Administration, not…

> virtually all of Trump's official acts have been things that Obama did not do examples?

For one, the Muslim ban.

But really, everything. Other than trivial descriptions of ceremonial functions (“issued a Christmas proclamation”), and possibly some periodic renewals, there's not a lot that is remotely the same.

Re: Microsoft Bans “Offensive Language” from Skype

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Post by ropeadopepope »

dragonwriter wrote: post #45
ropeadopepope wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> virtually all of Trump's official acts have been things that Obama did not do examples?

For one, the Muslim ban. But really, everything. Other than trivial descriptions of ceremonial functions (“issued a Christmas proclamation”), and possibly some periodic renewals, there's not a lot that is remotely the same.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obama-mocks-trump-but-has...

Re: Microsoft Bans “Offensive Language” from Skype

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Post by dragonwriter »

ropeadopepope wrote: post #46
dragonwriter wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For one, the Muslim ban. But really, everything. Other than trivial descriptions of ceremonial functions (“issued a Christmas proclamation”), and possibly some periodic renewals, there's not a lot that is remotely the same.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obama-mocks-trump-but-has...

Yes, and? All of those are different, narrower, and conduct-based bans not the same thing as (or even a similar thing to) any version of Trump's Muslim ban.

Re: Microsoft Bans “Offensive Language” from Skype

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Post by ropeadopepope »

dragonwriter wrote: post #47
ropeadopepope wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obama-mocks-trump-but-has...

Yes, and? All of those are different, narrower, and conduct-based bans not the same thing as (or even a similar thing to) any version of Trump's Muslim ban.

They're one and the same. In fact, when Obama made his bans, it was unprecedented and it went unchallenged. I could provide you with more examples, but this one is illustrative of the fact that you choose the facts that fit your narrative and ignore the rest. You are fake news.
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