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Re: Email marketing for e-commerce

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I work with several clients that between them send roughly 1 million emails per day, every day, and we are small compared to others I know. They fully understand that there are people like most people here that hate email marketing of any kind. But the response rate to those emails is significant. On an average day they get a 15% open rate. Click rates and purchase rates step down at each stage depending on the purpo…

How do you know whether users have opened an email or not? Or do you mean interacted with the email (i.e. clicked a link)?

You can quite easily setup tracking, eg using Google Analytics

Re: Email marketing for e-commerce

#72
post #11

As an aspiring SaaS founder, I was surprised how hard email marketing (EM) is. My questions so far: 1/ ROI - how much of a difference can good EM make as opposed to bad EM or no EM? Should I not rather focus on improving my product? 2/ What is the low hanging fruit? 3/ What are some of the tools I should be using? If my payment management is in Strip, how do I integrate it with the CRM? [answer: https://stripe.com/wo…

1) Really dependant on the product/industry, but a bunch of numbers I've seen (and I've been looking into it a lot lately), have claimed from 10-40% trial to paid conversion increase by improving your onboarding emails. (Though the high end has come from also offering things like concierge onboarding to certain amenable customers.)

Improving your product's important, but you have keep in mind that the product is not the business, and a 10% improvement to your product likely won't have anywhere near the effect that a 10% improvement in your marketing will.

2) Sending a single welcome email with first steps that can be used as a reference, sending "trial ending" emails to remind people that their trial as running out (and offering an extension, usually), and 30-90 days after expiry emails offering a trial extension in case they got busy (happens very frequently) or asking for info why they didn't decide to go with your product. Anything above that, you want to start getting into tracking user lifecycle events and customizing your onboarding to that, and in fact, once you start doing that, you can start improving those low-hanging fruit emails as well.

3) You can use something as simple as Mailchimp to something as powerful as Salesforce. It really depends on what part of your funnel you want to focus on.

One thing people don't tend to get about email marketing before diving in is that there's no "one thing" that's email marketing. There's newsletter marketing, where you capture prospects, there's onboarding, there's "regular update" emails, there's winback emails, there's retention emails. Email's just a tool, really, and it's applicable and nearly all levels of marketing.

I've really gotten into this kind of stuff over the past few years, and if you still have questions, I'd be happy to chat with you about it. Email's in my profile.

Re: Email marketing for e-commerce

#73
post #7

> 91% of customers want to hear from the companies they do business with. It’s unavoidable in the modern e-commerce marketing world. The quote is referring to email marketing. This seems pretty misleading. I can believe that 91% of people want to hear from some companies. But I'd bet that most people are not interested in hearing from most of the companies they do business with. There's a simple solution to this. It'…

This is going to get me downvoted, but it needs to be said. As a marketer, I really wish people behaved logically. If they want to get emails, they opt-in, and they don't want to, they don't opt-in. That's the pervasive belief here based on the comments I've seen so far, and that's really clean right? However, the truth in my experience is that people don't. This black-and-white segmentation IMHO ignores a middle seg…

With GDPR the opt-in checkbox will have to be unchecked.

Re: Email marketing for e-commerce

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I work with several clients that between them send roughly 1 million emails per day, every day, and we are small compared to others I know. They fully understand that there are people like most people here that hate email marketing of any kind. But the response rate to those emails is significant. On an average day they get a 15% open rate. Click rates and purchase rates step down at each stage depending on the purpo…

Do you track open rates that result in clicking unsubscribe?

I open a lot of email just to click that link

Re: Email marketing for e-commerce

#75
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that's how I feel too. When I get an email such as: > Hey {{ first_name }}, "Hey" isn't a salutation I want as a customer. We aren't friends. > We miss you. Bullshit. This is an auto-generated email. Computers don't "miss" people. > It's been a while since we've seen you. We know you get busy ... Yes, and now you're interrupting my busy day > ... but we'd love to see you again soon. In fact, come back and visit…

Most places are pretty good about sending unsubscribe links these days. However, I ran into a truly awful exception late last year with TaskEasy. For those who don't know, TaskEasy coordinates lawn care and similar services using independent contractors. I was happy with the service I received, and didn't even have to sign up for an account to order it. Then marketing emails started showing up. The unsubscribe link t…

To be fair I shouldn't have been subscribed in the first place. I never asked to receive marketing emails and shouldn't have to unsubscribe.

I have gotten lazy about looking for unsubscribe links and more aggressive about hitting"report spam" on Gmail

Re: Email marketing for e-commerce

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that's how I feel too. When I get an email such as: > Hey {{ first_name }}, "Hey" isn't a salutation I want as a customer. We aren't friends. > We miss you. Bullshit. This is an auto-generated email. Computers don't "miss" people. > It's been a while since we've seen you. We know you get busy ... Yes, and now you're interrupting my busy day > ... but we'd love to see you again soon. In fact, come back and visit…

50/50? 100% for me. If they don't do double-opt in, then they are spamming me.

Also if you use light grey text for the unsubscribe, it is also spam

Re: Email marketing for e-commerce

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post #7

> 91% of customers want to hear from the companies they do business with. It’s unavoidable in the modern e-commerce marketing world. The quote is referring to email marketing. This seems pretty misleading. I can believe that 91% of people want to hear from some companies. But I'd bet that most people are not interested in hearing from most of the companies they do business with. There's a simple solution to this. It'…

I generally don't like getting automatic marketing emails, but anecdotes != data, of course. Hacker News readers aren't exactly the general population. That said, I'm definitely more inclined to engage with properly-personalized emails, even knowing the tactics they employ, because they're usually helpful, or at least have had more forethought put into them. Heck, even Amazon catches me with a review request from tim…

I do understand the reason for wanting to vent on a bad product, but I do encourage you to write positive reviews for products that wowed you.

Re: Email marketing for e-commerce

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is going to get me downvoted, but it needs to be said. As a marketer, I really wish people behaved logically. If they want to get emails, they opt-in, and they don't want to, they don't opt-in. That's the pervasive belief here based on the comments I've seen so far, and that's really clean right? However, the truth in my experience is that people don't. This black-and-white segmentation IMHO ignores a middle seg…

> This black-and-white segmentation IMHO ignores a middle segment of customers who don't care that much one way or another. I think this is very obviously wrong. A middle segment of customers that don't mind getting 47 spam emails per day from dozens of services they've used or businesses they've shopped with in the past (even if it was five years ago and then they just keep getting emails every week forever)? There'…

I think you and me treat email differently than the average person. I saw my friend's email the other day: 26 thousand unopened emails. And he doesn't mind at all. Sometimes he searches through a few days worth to see if there is anything interesting. I think his use of personal email is much more common than my perfectly organized, and usually 0 unread messages inbox.

Re: Email marketing for e-commerce

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I work with several clients that between them send roughly 1 million emails per day, every day, and we are small compared to others I know. They fully understand that there are people like most people here that hate email marketing of any kind. But the response rate to those emails is significant. On an average day they get a 15% open rate. Click rates and purchase rates step down at each stage depending on the purpo…

Do you track open rates that result in clicking unsubscribe? I open a lot of email just to click that link

It's not generally a significant effect, unsubscribe rates tend to be well under 1%. Most people just ignore emails they don't want.

Re: Email marketing for e-commerce

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It's been a while since we've seen you. We know you get busy but we'd love to see you again soon And I absolutely love spending an hour deleting a flood of auto-genetated e-mails from my inbox every month or hunting for that tiny low saturation "unsubscribe" link (which sometimes doesn't work/exist at all). The worst offenders are the airlines and travel agencies IMO. I mean I understand getting monthly e-mails from…

I think that example is generalized to the point of uselessness. A really good re-engagement email would hone in on the relationship between you and this company, and offer help in some way. Did you buy a consumable good? Well, maybe you're running out and would like to restock. Did you sign up for a SaaS trial and the trial's nearly over? Here's a step it looks like you had difficulty with, our support number, and m…

I don't mind getting offers every now and then, but every week or every month is just too much. I understand that companies are flooding their customers in the hopes they get that 1 hit every x e-mails (since sending an e-mail is virtually costless) but it's irritating and it's not worth (for me) the trouble of sieving through the endless stream of useless junk.

If they want me to seriously consider their offer as an existing customer they could send me a personal discount and make me feel I'm worth something. But I rarely get discounts besides the generic ones that apply to everyone (which you can get just by visiting their website even if you've never purchased anything from them before). And the auto-generated "relaxed & casual" language just puts me off, it reeks of kitsch and disrespect.

"generalized to the point of uselessness" is a very apt description

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