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Statement by FTC Regarding Reported Concerns about Facebook Privacy Practices

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Re: Statement by FTC Regarding Reported Concerns about Facebook Privacy Practices

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Post by mehrdadn »

nogbit wrote: post #198
chaoticmass wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you had a ton of nickels you would have about $9071.85.

And that's much more than the raw materials... A nickel is 75% copper and 25% nickel. There are 2000lbs in a ton. That's 1500lbs of copper and 500lbs of nickel. Scrap pricing is $2.50/lb for copper, $3750. Scrap pricing is $4.83/lb for nickel, $2415. Total = $6165

> A nickel is 75% copper and 25% nickel.

Interesting, I thought nickle was the coin and nickel was the metal, but it seems that isn't the case and/or changed. (?)

Re: Statement by FTC Regarding Reported Concerns about Facebook Privacy Practices

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Post by Declanomous »

prolikewhoa wrote: post #175
fortythirteen wrote: post #88

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If I had a nickel for every time someone called me paranoid or a conspiracy theorist for mentioning this before last week, I'd have a ton of nickels. I should feel better now that people of aware of the nefariousness of this type of data collection, but I feel worse. The general public is being fed this as "Russia" and "Trump", and not getting the real, horrifying, surveillance state truth of what's going on. I'm les…

I wish the USA would stop calling people conspiracy theorists for critical thinking, especially as we see more what used to be 'conspiracy theories' actually come to fruition. It actually hinders critical thinking and is a bad path to go down.

The problem is that a lot of people that complain about actual issues, like Facebook stalking, also try telling people about a lot of things that are totally conspiracy theories.

On top of that, as someone with experience in database marketing, people act as if they are being personally spied on. If you are tracking 800k people and you have 20 employees, the issue isn't really having another person looking at your data, the issue is the unethical ways organizations are using that data to manipulate you and the rest of society.

It's the difference between "The government conducts unethical surveillance" and "The government is spying on me."

Re: Statement by FTC Regarding Reported Concerns about Facebook Privacy Practices

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Post by spookthesunset »

herpderp3dtwerp wrote: post #111
lumberjack wrote: post #68

>Foremost among these tools is enforcement action against companies that fail to honor their privacy promises This is the crux of the issue. The problem is that when Facebook asks for "location information", the consequences of this are not being conveyed to the user. The user might think, "ah they want my location for the weather recommendations and event suggestions in my neighbourhood". They do not realise how som…

You can get all of this information from a phone number too. https://www.twilio.com/marketplace/add-ons/nextcaller-advanc... Give it a try with your phone number. It'll provide your address (current and former), income bracket, relatives, siblings, children, etc, etc. Guess what Facebook asks you to provide when initially setting up!?

Just tried this for several people I know. It only kinda-sorta gets things right. It generally gets the name right and sometimes the address.... but not much else.

Re: Statement by FTC Regarding Reported Concerns about Facebook Privacy Practices

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Post by bluGill »

jumpman500 wrote: post #103
Domenic_S wrote: post #69

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> Young people can adapt to new technology quickly. I know I was able to drop Facebook pretty easily. Older people can't. I think sharing photos with extended (ie, older) family is a huge use case for Facebook.

Yea but that's also a reason to leave. I know one of the main reasons I stopped using Facebook for photos was because I didn't want my Mom and extended family looking at the parties I went to at college.

That is why I have to remain. I want my mom to see pictures of my kids. I want to see pictures of my nephew's lip after he got hit with a ball (6 stitches). The girl who took 4th place in the state dance competition is of interest to me because I remember her mom from high school - the first place dancer is nothing to me. The real things in life that matter are why I'm on facebook and why I cann't leave.

Politics and some hobby groups are on Facebook and interesting, but the real meat is the personal photos and stories that would never be in the news.

Re: Statement by FTC Regarding Reported Concerns about Facebook Privacy Practices

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Post by [deleted] »

xienze wrote: post #160
bllguo wrote: post #148

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"It's okay because you weren't personally affected" is so obviously wrong. It's so obviously against the spirit of the law and of society. I find it hard to imagine you're arguing in good faith. But how about this, then, since you're so intent on making this political? How about we fix this so that no future politicians can benefit from this kind of targeted advertising - both liberal and conservative?

> How about we fix this so that no future politicians can benefit from this kind of targeted advertising - both liberal and conservative? I’d be fine with it, but the first step is admitting that yes, Obama benefited from harvested social media data as well. No one wants to do that, this is all a Trump thing as far as the media, and therefore the general public, is concerned.

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Re: Statement by FTC Regarding Reported Concerns about Facebook Privacy Practices

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Post by bogomipz »

hodder wrote: post #191
bogomipz wrote: post #87

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>"The market has a short memory, and FB is not going anywhere." Maybe FB isn't going anywhere but if users and advertisers do you can be sure the market will reflect that.

The point I'm making is that advertisers and users aren't going anywhere.

But unless you have some clairvoyant powers you don't actually know that. The fallout from this is still forthcoming.

Re: Statement by FTC Regarding Reported Concerns about Facebook Privacy Practices

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Post by frgtpsswrdlame »

xienze wrote: post #197
frgtpsswrdlame wrote: post #173

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No but seriously why is the first step admitting that Obama benefitted? People are up in arms that their data was misused, why do you care whether they're politically motivated or not?

> People are up in arms that their data was misused, why do you care whether they're politically motivated or not? Because the forthcoming regulations will inevitably target conservatives if we allow the public discourse on this issue to be dominated by "muh Russia, muh Trump."

>the forthcoming regulations will inevitably target conservatives

The forthcoming regulations are going to have to make it through a republican house, a republican senate and a republican president and not get challenged in our republican courts. Rest assured you're safe.

Re: Statement by FTC Regarding Reported Concerns about Facebook Privacy Practices

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Post by QasimK »

Declanomous wrote: post #202
prolikewhoa wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish the USA would stop calling people conspiracy theorists for critical thinking, especially as we see more what used to be 'conspiracy theories' actually come to fruition. It actually hinders critical thinking and is a bad path to go down.

The problem is that a lot of people that complain about actual issues, like Facebook stalking, also try telling people about a lot of things that are totally conspiracy theories. On top of that, as someone with experience in database marketing, people act as if they are being personally spied on. If you are tracking 800k people and you have 20 employees, the issue isn't really having another person looking at your da…

That's a good point on how you phrase what they are doing. You want to avoid implying that you or the person you are talking to is being targeted (because they're not really and it makes you look like a conspiracy theorist).

Re: Statement by FTC Regarding Reported Concerns about Facebook Privacy Practices

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Post by parthdesai »

dragonwriter wrote: post #196
parthdesai wrote: post #192

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>Because whataboutism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism Ah, the current flavour of the year on reddit when it comes to debates. It's not whataboutism. It's calling out hypocrisy among the reaction of journalists and general public who either ignored or in fact went on to rave about ingenious use of ads. In fact fb personally went on to remove api rate-limiters for one of the apps used by Obama's campaign. S…

> It's not whataboutism. It's calling out hypocrisy So, it's exactly Whataboutism: “Whataboutism (also known as whataboutery) is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument, [...]” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

In a way, aren't you deflecting the argument as well by labelling it instead of actually providing a logical answer of Why did everyone ignore or rave about Obama's use of over-reaching fb ads?

And calling out hypocrisy isn't wrong thing to do in this matter. I'm not saying what trump's campaign did was the right thing to do. What i find appalling is the so called "literate/educated" class of people completely ignored and continue to ignore or in fact praised the very same thing Obama did.

Heck, i'm neither a citizen of USA nor a resident and could frankly care less who is in power.

Re: Statement by FTC Regarding Reported Concerns about Facebook Privacy Practices

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Post by Goronmon »

eggpy wrote: post #84
mrtksn wrote: post #50

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What happens if people start talking about how much they hate Zuckerberg and start looking for alternatives and the cool kids start suggesting each other some other social network that's technically good enough but never took off because didn't benefit from the network effect? Then anything he touches becomes toxic. Zuckerberg isn't even divisive like Trump, he may have issue finding people to rally with him against…

So you're saying it's time to start plugging Mastodon[0]? Because I'm in! [0] https://mastodon.social/about

More of a Twitter alternative than a Facebook alternative.
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