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Apple's business model is unlike Facebook's business model in that it does not make money from ad targeting. Facebook's business model is unlike Apple's business model in that it does not make money from sending 12-year-olds into cobalt mines. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/11/industry-gian...
I think there have been some valid points made in this thread about business models. Facebook is the least diversified company out of the big five when it comes to how much of their business model depends on collecting user data (and how personal that data is). At the same time, Facebook, Amazon, Google, Apple, and Microsoft weren't just handed their business models. Each company decided to what (and what not) to pur…
>> TBH what disturbs me the most is how much data Facebook >> has on people's children. There's going to be an entire >> generation of people whose conception to high school >> graduation has been archived in Facebook servers, >> without their consent . I find it unsettling that Facebook has built profiles on kids who can not, legally, _give_ consent, I mean, at all . Facebook probably has a profile on me (although I…
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And yet we know that the personal data of your customers is worth billions. And we also know that nothing about writing walled software ecosystems prevents one from syphoning this data. So it would appear that Apple has purposefully left money on the table. So please tell me how that fits with your 'self-interest' explanation of Apple's stance here.
I already have elsewhere in this thread, but here goes: Google's primary business model is contingent on user data collection. Apple has the most profitable business in the world, which is not contingent on user data collection . Yes, you are absolutely correct that Apple is leaving a few billion dollars on the table by not doing this. However, that's only true in a fairly narrow, greedy (in the sense of a 'greedy al…
Not only that, but having taken this stance so strongly, it makes any future relaxations of their self-imposed rule an even riskier move as it exposes them to hypocrisy. So it's clearly a double edged sword. And while it's certain Google depends on data now, nothing stops them from making excellent phones with excellent hardware with privacy to boot to compete with Apple on their turf.
Apple's business model is unlike Facebook's business model in that it does not make money from ad targeting. Facebook's business model is unlike Apple's business model in that it does not make money from sending 12-year-olds into cobalt mines. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/11/industry-gian...
What’s Apple’s market share worldwide? What percentage of Facebook users access it from mobile? What percentage of those users are using Android devices that also need the same materials? When did you last hear about Samsung or Xiaomi or others on slave labor or child labor? I’m sure Apple has a long way to go on several fronts, but one sided hyperbole like in the above comment is unproductive.
Like I said in the OP, I know the world isn't perfect. Normally, I wouldn't call out Apple. But when Cook decides to lecture about the dangers of social media and privacy and calls for more regulation, which would also weaken his competitors, he should have his bad practices brought to light.
Apple's business model is unlike Facebook's business model in that it does not make money from ad targeting. Facebook's business model is unlike Apple's business model in that it does not make money from sending 12-year-olds into cobalt mines. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/11/industry-gian...
Ace to grind? The source you linked yourself says Apple is at the forefront of this issue which is industry-wide in small electronics.
All that said, I wouldn't highlight Apple's supply chain failings if their CEO wasn't out chastising competitors for the undesirable traits of their business models.
Apple's business model is unlike Facebook's business model in that it does not make money from ad targeting. Facebook's business model is unlike Apple's business model in that it does not make money from sending 12-year-olds into cobalt mines. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/11/industry-gian...
>Facebook's business model is unlike Apple's business model in that it does not make money from sending 12-year-olds into cobalt mines. This is the kind of response that I am increasingly finding indistinguishable from propaganda intended to sow discord.
I'm calling out the CEO of the largest corporation in the world for moral failings in his business model. I wish higher profile reporters were doing so.
The goal is not to sow discord, it's to highlight hypocrisy.
It makes a difference having a CEO that is so vocal about this, it changes what everyone in the org does and sees as "right". It's a good thing. At Facebook the understanding seems to be more Orwellian community like, spearheaded by Mark Zuckerberg. They envision and build a future where everyone is under surveillance at all times - so collecting a bit more doesn't matter, more to the contrary. Last week there was a…
operating devices owned by an employer is strike one. It’s not your personal property. You didn’t buy it from the store, you give it back when you quit or get fired, right?
What actually said differs from the headline: >"The ability of anyone to know what you've been browsing about for years, who your contacts are, who their contacts are, things you like and dislike and every intimate detail of your life — from my own point of view it shouldn't exist." He said that the ability to know what they've collected about you shouldn't exist. Very different.
You’re reading that incorrectly, the headline is right.
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> By default every iPhone logs and sends to the mothership your gps locations. > They designed iMessage in a way that ensured they could access the conversation Neither of these sound correct. Can you explain more or link a source on either?
On locations: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT207056 (it is enabled by default) On iMessage, the encryption keys are managed and accessible by Apple. Steve Gibson makes regular references in his podcast, like this episode: https://www.grc.com/sn/sn-574.htm
For iMessage, I think you are getting something mixed up. Apple does not have your encryption keys, but like Signal it does control the server used to retrieve keys for your interlocutor(s). This is a trade-off based on the fact that most iPhone buyers likely do not have a desire to run their own server nor would they probably be able to get their friends to all use it. However, apps are available in the App Store if you do want to do that.
It is worth noting that Tim Cook said this in China, where Apple happily hands over all user data to the Chinese government. http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/28/technology/apple-icloud-data...
You’re editorializing with “happy” and it’s a false narrative. Apple specifically said they weren’t happy about it and fought against it, but that the end result was they could either close shop in Chins or comply with the law so they decided it was better to be there than not.