The defiance of an 'untouchable' New York subway worker
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Re: The defiance of an 'untouchable' New York subway worker
#2My parents visited India a few years ago, they faced that issue when their guide refused to enter a coffee shop, when he explained that it was because he was not allowed to enter because of his caste, they turned back (disgusted)...
Re: The defiance of an 'untouchable' New York subway worker
#3My parents visited India a few years ago, they faced that issue when their guide refused to enter a coffee shop, when he explained that it was because he was not allowed to enter because of his caste, they turned back (disgusted)...
One of the main benefits in India of increasing urbanization is the accompanying anonymity. I would assume this incident didn't occur in a big city. Did it?
Re: The defiance of an 'untouchable' New York subway worker
#4My parents visited India a few years ago, they faced that issue when their guide refused to enter a coffee shop, when he explained that it was because he was not allowed to enter because of his caste, they turned back (disgusted)...
One of the main benefits in India of increasing urbanization is the accompanying anonymity. I would assume this incident didn't occur in a big city. Did it?
People that do want to hate others, will find reasons to hate.
Re: The defiance of an 'untouchable' New York subway worker
#5These sort of class distinctions are much less pronounced in America, which is why so many oppressed or impoverished people from elsewhere yearn to travel here and make a new life. It's nice to hear about someone who was able to realize the American Dream and escape the class prejudice of their home country.
Re: The defiance of an 'untouchable' New York subway worker
#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
One of the main benefits in India of increasing urbanization is the accompanying anonymity. I would assume this incident didn't occur in a big city. Did it?
People that do want to hate others, will find reasons to hate.
Is it really hate though? Or just people accepting certain social standards and living their lives in accordance.
Sure it's soul crushing for those who are oppressed, but the oppressors would probably be well adjusted people in other societies.
Re: The defiance of an 'untouchable' New York subway worker
#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
People that do want to hate others, will find reasons to hate.
Is it really hate though? Or just people accepting certain social standards and living their lives in accordance. Sure it's soul crushing for those who are oppressed, but the oppressors would probably be well adjusted people in other societies.
From personal experience, I know that the people that may be described as the oppressors in Indian "urban" societies are often the ones that take on servile qualities when they try to assimilate in Western societies. Western society is often seen as the superior kind and the so-called oppressors of Indian society recognize a hierarchy in it, in which they are at a lower rung. It is hard to break out of that mindset.
Of course, this is all based on personal experience. I wouldn't say this is the general rule.
Re: The defiance of an 'untouchable' New York subway worker
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
People that do want to hate others, will find reasons to hate.
Is it really hate though? Or just people accepting certain social standards and living their lives in accordance. Sure it's soul crushing for those who are oppressed, but the oppressors would probably be well adjusted people in other societies.
It's called hate here, when for example a person regards homosexuality as immoral and opposes gay marriage. I've rarely heard anyone publicly claim that such people just have different social standards, or if they do, they are vilified for defending hate.
Any time in history when one group has been oppressed by another, it's been considered normal by majority social standards of the time. When those standards change, discord and sometimes even war is the result.
Re: The defiance of an 'untouchable' New York subway worker
#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it really hate though? Or just people accepting certain social standards and living their lives in accordance. Sure it's soul crushing for those who are oppressed, but the oppressors would probably be well adjusted people in other societies.
It's called hate here, when for example a person regards homosexuality as immoral and opposes gay marriage. I've rarely heard anyone publicly claim that such people just have different social standards, or if they do, they are vilified for defending hate. Any time in history when one group has been oppressed by another, it's been considered normal by majority social standards of the time. When those standards change,…
But that's the issue. If someone simply sees homosexuality as a something that isn't "approved by God" or something of that nature, and they in their minds are just going along with God's law, are they really hating something? I've heard many anti-gay marriage people say that they have no problem with gay people but that they just oppose gay marriage.
Is that cognitive dissonance? Almost certainly, but is it hate? I don't think so.
We throw around the word "hate" too much and doing so loses a lot of the nuance bound up in human attitudes.
Re: The defiance of an 'untouchable' New York subway worker
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it really hate though? Or just people accepting certain social standards and living their lives in accordance. Sure it's soul crushing for those who are oppressed, but the oppressors would probably be well adjusted people in other societies.
It's called hate here, when for example a person regards homosexuality as immoral and opposes gay marriage. I've rarely heard anyone publicly claim that such people just have different social standards, or if they do, they are vilified for defending hate. Any time in history when one group has been oppressed by another, it's been considered normal by majority social standards of the time. When those standards change,…
Some people might not want giraffes allowed in movie theaters, that doesn’t mean those people hate giraffes.
Disagreeing with someone isn’t hate.