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Tim Cook says Facebook's collection of user data 'shouldn't exist'

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Re: Tim Cook says Facebook's collection of user data 'shouldn't exist'

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Post by amazingman »

replicatorblog wrote: post #94

Apple's business model is unlike Facebook's business model in that it does not make money from ad targeting. Facebook's business model is unlike Apple's business model in that it does not make money from sending 12-year-olds into cobalt mines. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/11/industry-gian...

>Facebook's business model is unlike Apple's business model in that it does not make money from sending 12-year-olds into cobalt mines.

This is the kind of response that I am increasingly finding indistinguishable from propaganda intended to sow discord.

Re: Tim Cook says Facebook's collection of user data 'shouldn't exist'

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Post by eight_ender »

darawk wrote: post #37
eight_ender wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get where you're coming from, but I'm not sure that matters to me personally. Privacy and security are important to me, and that's what Apple is selling, so I'm going to buy. The more consumers support privacy as a selling feature, the more Apple will guard it. I'll gladly pay a premium to a company that has a vested interest in keeping my shit safe, and a straightforward business model of keeping me happy enough t…

I don't disagree. I'm not trying to discourage anyone from buying their products. If you care about privacy, absolutely, buy an iPhone. I'm just trying to point out that their caring about privacy comes as much from a place of greed and fortunate coincidence than anything else.

I'm not sure it's fortunate coincidence, seems like Apple chose this path. As for greed, well, they're a corporation. That's a given. They're driven to profit by their very nature. If you need a phone you choose one, or you build one yourself.

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Post by cm2187 »

willstrafach wrote: post #120
cm2187 wrote: post #105

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Apple isn’t the privacy white knight either. By default every iPhone logs and sends to the mothership your gps locations. They designed iMessage in a way that ensured they could access the conversation. IOS comes with an advertising ID, etc. They are certainly not as bad as a Google or Facebook but they are not good either.

> By default every iPhone logs and sends to the mothership your gps locations. > They designed iMessage in a way that ensured they could access the conversation Neither of these sound correct. Can you explain more or link a source on either?

On locations: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT207056 (it is enabled by default)

On iMessage, the encryption keys are managed and accessible by Apple. Steve Gibson makes regular references in his podcast, like this episode: https://www.grc.com/sn/sn-574.htm

Re: Tim Cook says Facebook's collection of user data 'shouldn't exist'

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Post by scottmf »

gkya wrote: post #102
zwily wrote: post #92

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What makes you say this? How do you know what Facebook is doing with the whatsapp data?

If WhatsApp is not lying about end-to-end encryption, FB don't have the data.

There’s plenty of useful data besides the content of messages.

Re: Tim Cook says Facebook's collection of user data 'shouldn't exist'

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Post by tomduncalf »

cm2187 wrote: post #123
willstrafach wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> By default every iPhone logs and sends to the mothership your gps locations. > They designed iMessage in a way that ensured they could access the conversation Neither of these sound correct. Can you explain more or link a source on either?

On locations: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT207056 (it is enabled by default) On iMessage, the encryption keys are managed and accessible by Apple. Steve Gibson makes regular references in his podcast, like this episode: https://www.grc.com/sn/sn-574.htm

> enabled by default

Actually, the device asks during setup whether you want to enable location services or not. They are also configurable per-app, obviously

Re: Tim Cook says Facebook's collection of user data 'shouldn't exist'

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Post by newscracker »

replicatorblog wrote: post #94

Apple's business model is unlike Facebook's business model in that it does not make money from ad targeting. Facebook's business model is unlike Apple's business model in that it does not make money from sending 12-year-olds into cobalt mines. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/11/industry-gian...

What’s Apple’s market share worldwide? What percentage of Facebook users access it from mobile? What percentage of those users are using Android devices that also need the same materials? When did you last hear about Samsung or Xiaomi or others on slave labor or child labor?

I’m sure Apple has a long way to go on several fronts, but one sided hyperbole like in the above comment is unproductive.

Re: Tim Cook says Facebook's collection of user data 'shouldn't exist'

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Post by cm2187 »

tomduncalf wrote: post #125
cm2187 wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On locations: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT207056 (it is enabled by default) On iMessage, the encryption keys are managed and accessible by Apple. Steve Gibson makes regular references in his podcast, like this episode: https://www.grc.com/sn/sn-574.htm

> enabled by default Actually, the device asks during setup whether you want to enable location services or not. They are also configurable per-app, obviously

That’s to switch off all GPS. To disable the logging/upload to mothership, the settings is buried in Settings/Privacy/Location Services/System Services.

Re: Tim Cook says Facebook's collection of user data 'shouldn't exist'

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Post by gaius »

donttrack wrote: post #40
gaius wrote: post #11

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Apple, Microsoft and Amazon will be perfectly unperturbed when the so-called “attention economy” goes away. They are real companies offering real goods and services.

Yeah, Google and Facebook are not tech companies. They are mainly ad companies run by social justice activists. Their only purpose is to stuff ads down peoples throats.

Google could exist in a diminished form off their cloud and office suite. But e.g. GMail is not a viable business without slurping user data.

Re: Tim Cook says Facebook's collection of user data 'shouldn't exist'

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Post by wmeredith »

cm2187 wrote: post #127
tomduncalf wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> enabled by default Actually, the device asks during setup whether you want to enable location services or not. They are also configurable per-app, obviously

That’s to switch off all GPS. To disable the logging/upload to mothership, the settings is buried in Settings/Privacy/Location Services/System Services.

Right. So location services are absolutely not enabled by default. You have to turn them on.

Re: Tim Cook says Facebook's collection of user data 'shouldn't exist'

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Post by wmeredith »

tony101 wrote: post #52

It is worth noting that Tim Cook said this in China, where Apple happily hands over all user data to the Chinese government. http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/28/technology/apple-icloud-data...

You’re editorializing with “happy” and it’s a false narrative. Apple specifically said they weren’t happy about it and fought against it, but that the end result was they could either close shop in Chins or comply with the law so they decided it was better to be there than not.
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