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Re: Ask HN: When are you allowed to quit a startup?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A startup whose founders can go on holiday for a week can afford lawyer's fees.

Vacations needn't be expensive. Sure, there's a loss of one week's income generation, but it's possible to have a fantastic week away on what it would cost to talk to a lawyer for half an hour. Some examples: camping and fishing, eating what you catch to save on food; rock climbing; backpacking; etc.

yeah, but the opportunity cost is pretty high.

Re: Ask HN: When are you allowed to quit a startup?

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post #43

>> "I'm the only programmer" >> "all of the founders (CEO/CFO/COO)" >> "no equity" WHAT? Quit. Now.

One programmer and three CXX's already? and they haven't made a dime yet??? All their MBA training has taught them is how to profit off the sweat of others.

Good skill to have.

Re: Ask HN: When are you allowed to quit a startup?

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post #30

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Sorry to be so blunt but in this setting, friendly and manipulative are synonyms.

I agree this guy should be looking for other work, but disagree that working relationships are always inherently manipulative. The big problem here is the bloated management structure, pre-launch vacations and failures to meet targets, all of which are strong signs the decision makers in the company are bad at their job. This implies that decisions about this person's future compensation and role in the company will…

This is not a healthy working relationship - he is being manipulated. The equity participants are on vacation while the sole employee does all the work because they've made vague, non-specific promises that someday maybe he too can join them.

Re: Ask HN: When are you allowed to quit a startup?

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post #17

Let's get real about something: they're business guys, and you're the technical muscle, right? You seem young, and you're probably as good at sizing them up (note your "great people" comment) as the average MBA is at writing code; by this, I mean, not at all. Don't even try. Make your decisions based on hard facts, such as how much equity you have already and when you will start collecting a salary, and not based on…

Wowzer. I really appreciate the honesty -- and you're right about the fact that they are quite established MBAs and I am just a young idealistic programmer. The fact that the CEO will often pull code off the internet and say we should use it shows me that respect is not really there and from that, I've always questioned how much they respect me/my role/my abilities. I think you're spot on about giving them the option…

>> The fact that the CEO will often pull code off the internet and say we should use it shows me that respect is not really there.

Holy crap!

Re: Ask HN: When are you allowed to quit a startup?

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree this guy should be looking for other work, but disagree that working relationships are always inherently manipulative. The big problem here is the bloated management structure, pre-launch vacations and failures to meet targets, all of which are strong signs the decision makers in the company are bad at their job. This implies that decisions about this person's future compensation and role in the company will…

This is not a healthy working relationship - he is being manipulated. The equity participants are on vacation while the sole employee does all the work because they've made vague, non-specific promises that someday maybe he too can join them.

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