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Facebook hid webpages bragging of ability to influence elections

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Asked about the delisting, a Facebook spokesperson said that “a number of the studies have been archived, but they’re still available at the individual links.” Asked why the “Government and Politics” section had been removed entirely, the spokesperson did not reply. I’ll just bet they didn’t. “We’re covering our ass like it’s on fire” is probably a bad PR, move, but it’s painfully obvious that’s what’s happening. The…

Nah. People outside our bubble don't care.

You know, that is not true.

Now, in your favor, they have not cared, despite the majority of this info being old, known.

Context matters.

This last election was very highly controversial. I get downvotes for more commentary, and I know why too.

It's OK, but it does make this discussion a bit harder.

Let's just say people have seen more about the ugly parts of politics than usual. The choices they had and why are troublesome too.

The parties both want to avoid accounting for their abuses, and or just working realities, when known are not popular, too.

Given things like this in play, and strong incentives for many "to put blame anywhere else", or onto "those other people", the conditions needed for this information to matter are ripe!

Should be no real surprise.

Many, in my circles, have only casual understanding of the data issues. They appreciate the good, and as long as they get a lot of value out of the products, they will push cares away.

Most are asking great questions, and they are weighing the info they get, trying to understand.

It's more than I have ever seen, despite my own efforts to inform earlier.

What is most disturbing, to me, isn't the interest. That discussion should have happened years ago. "You are the product" means a lot more than many know, and it's not all bad too.

Many will evaluate all of this and make different choices. FB won't be the same for them. FB won't die either, but like the kids did, people will move on, seek alternatives and more agency as to what happens.

Good.

The disturbing thing is alphas, influencers linking all of this to every bad, deep state, nefarious actor, prediction of doom they can.

Not good.

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It's totally anecdotal but I asked a few people about this and everyone had never heard, or seemed particular interested in hearing about Cambridge Analytica.

I mentioned the whole thing about phone contacts and the response was basically "Wow, sucks to be them I guess".

I wonder if it clicked that it probably affects them too.

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https://www.google.com/ads/elections/

https://www.google.com/ads/elections/campaign-playbook/mobil... ze/

https://business.twitter.com/en/help/ads-policies/restricted...

(lest the implication be misunderstood, it is that "hiding web pages" is a non-story, unless i have missed the authors point. online ads for candidates are still not regulated in the same way as similar ads on "traditional" broadcast media such as TV, radio, cable, satellite. google, twitter, etc. are still open for business.)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bet half the people inside the bubble don't care. I don't care, for example.

no one cares sorry. everyone knew what they were getting. you cant blame social media at all really. the internet in general is partisan. ppl flock to platforms that appeal to them. sorry its no highschool. you are no longer forced to hear views you oppose, that is the reality when your an adult. its a huge shame you all dont let it do. advertising in general is to appeal to people.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bet half the people inside the bubble don't care. I don't care, for example.

You don't care, doesn't mean you SHOULD not care. Public apathy from smart people was probably behind what happened in 1930s Germany.

no, that is not really what happened in 30s germany. You had a country in deep economical crisis, and huge political fight for power. Smart people were far from passive, on the contrary they took sides.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bet half the people inside the bubble don't care. I don't care, for example.

You don't care, doesn't mean you SHOULD not care. Public apathy from smart people was probably behind what happened in 1930s Germany.

Apathy? A lot of smart people were active supporters of the National Socialists, at least before they started losing the war.

The Ominous Parallels[1] explores this, and the parallels with current American politics:

The Nazis did not gain power against the country’s wishes…The Nazi party was elected to office by the freely cast ballots of millions of German voters, including men on every social, economic, and educational level. In the national election of July 1932, the Nazis obtained 37 percent of the vote and a plurality of seats in the Reichstag. On January 30, 1933, in full accordance with the country’s legal and constitutional principles, Hitler was appointed Chancellor. Five weeks later, in the last (and semi-free) election of the pre-totalitarian period, the Nazis obtained 17 million votes, 44 percent of the total…

In 1933, when Hitler did establish the system he had promised, he did not find it necessary to forbid foreign travel. Until World War II, those Germans who wished to flee the country could do so. The overwhelming majority did not. They were satisfied to remain…

[1] https://www.amazon.com/Ominous-Parallels-End-Freedom-America...

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I have a difficult time coming up with a better solution than one: Facebook must be broken up under anti-trust law. Social network share is as dangerous as, if not more dangerous than, market share.

Oh since when Facebook is a monopoly? There are dozens of social networks out there. Even Google Plus exists. You dont have any ground to pull an anti trust on FB.

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I have a difficult time coming up with a better solution than one: Facebook must be broken up under anti-trust law. Social network share is as dangerous as, if not more dangerous than, market share.

Oh since when Facebook is a monopoly? There are dozens of social networks out there. Even Google Plus exists. You dont have any ground to pull an anti trust on FB.

It is a myth than companies must be absolute monopolies to fall afoul of the law. The Sherman Antitrust Act was specifically drafted to take on politically-powerful groups from which unilateral consumer (user) or supplier (advertiser) defection was not reasonable.

“A Section 2 monopolization violation has two elements:

(1) the possession of monopoly power in the relevant market; and

(2) the willful acquisition or maintenance of that power as distinguished from growth or development as a consequence of a superior product, business acumen, or historic accident” [1].

It would be a difficult, but not impossible, case as is. Facebook’s market power, acquisition history and evidences of abuse and cover-ups would make a legislative extension of antitrust statute to social media perfectly reasonable within the original intent of the law. This is far from a unique opinion [2].

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Antitrust_Act

[2] https://stratechery.com/2017/everything-is-changing-so-shoul...

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https://www.google.com/ads/elections/ https://www.google.com/ads/elections/campaign-playbook/mobil... ze/ https://business.twitter.com/en/help/ads-policies/restricted... (lest the implication be misunderstood, it is that "hiding web pages" is a non-story, unless i have missed the authors point. online ads for candidates are still not regulated in the same way as similar ads on "traditional" broadcast media such as TV…

> "Win the moments that win elections."

They aren't subtle about it. I also wouldn't mind as much if the tech industry were politically neutral - but its been shown time and time again that Silicon Valley, where a lot of this power is held, has a very obvious political bias.

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