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Re: IRS reminds taxpayers to report virtual currency transactions

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Ugh, not a cryptocurrency trader, but I recently learned that by having U.S. citizenship from birth, and though I never lived there, I'm responsible for FBARs and tax-filing in the states. $4000 or so later and I'm compliant now. What a stressful pain that was.

No surprise that in both Great Britain and the US, the income tax was first instituted during a time of war. Only during a war, with the demands it places on the public conscience to make sacrifices, would the population acquiesce to an institution so contrary to natural rights and so pernicious to liberty.

Most new taxes come about at times when the locality creating them is under financial stress. Wars are financially stressful. Thus you'd expect that any given new modality of taxation would be created, with some relatively high probability, in proximity to a war.

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I still find it weird that he has to pay taxes in dollars on something that he doesn't know the value of in dollars since he hasn't converted his cryptocurrency assets to fiat yet.

Vanguard allows me to exchange one mutual fund for another mutual fund (without having to explicitly sell and re-buy). Do you think that's something that shouldn't be taxable? Where's the difference to the cryptocurrency example above?

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Re: IRS reminds taxpayers to report virtual currency transactions

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If you are walking down the beach and find a $20 bill on the ground, you are required to report it as income. The only way that I know of that you can legally enrich yourself without paying taxes is via a direct gift and that’s because the giver pays tax instead of you.

One other way is selling a home -- in certain circumstances, one can get $250k (single filer) or $500k (married filer) gains from the home sale tax-free. https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc701

Buy a home in the Bay Area four years ago and sell it today. You might even exceed the exclusion.

Re: IRS reminds taxpayers to report virtual currency transactions

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Another point everyone should remember because I’ve seen the attitude a lot recently. If the reporting requirements seem to be literally impossible to comply with, this doesn’t mean you conclude “so I don’t have to pay taxes”. It means you should conclude “I have to pay the maximum taxes possible under the worst case scenario because I don’t have the records to prove my version of events”. It has nothing to do with c…

I work as a tax auditor and this is completely false. Taxpayers only need to pay the MINIMUM amount of tax required by law, not the maximum. If you are audited then we will tell you why you owe additional tax. No, you will not go to jail for paying less tax but upon audit you will be required to pay the deficiency or provide additional explanations/documents etc. Then you can introduce any counter arguments like you…

I have two questions:

1) If one had used bitcoin as a currency (bought pizza, bubblegum, etc.), are these new "treatments" of cryptocurrency implying one has to report each of these purchases and the tax implication there in?

2) Lets say you are a miner and mine a bitcoin a month (I know not realistic but helps simplify question). Now, lets say you buy pizza with bitcoins from your wallet every month. What is the cost basis to use? The price is pretty volatile .. so what the heck are you supposed to do?

Re: IRS reminds taxpayers to report virtual currency transactions

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I work as a tax auditor and this is completely false. Taxpayers only need to pay the MINIMUM amount of tax required by law, not the maximum. If you are audited then we will tell you why you owe additional tax. No, you will not go to jail for paying less tax but upon audit you will be required to pay the deficiency or provide additional explanations/documents etc. Then you can introduce any counter arguments like you…

I have two questions: 1) If one had used bitcoin as a currency (bought pizza, bubblegum, etc.), are these new "treatments" of cryptocurrency implying one has to report each of these purchases and the tax implication there in? 2) Lets say you are a miner and mine a bitcoin a month (I know not realistic but helps simplify question). Now, lets say you buy pizza with bitcoins from your wallet every month. What is the cos…

Of course you need to report them. If you used AMZN stock to buy bubble gum or shoes, you'd have to report it too. Just because it is named crypto "currency" doesn't actually make it a currency...

Re: IRS reminds taxpayers to report virtual currency transactions

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Why is it unreasonable? Your brokerage should be tracking your entry and exit for each trade and sending you a comprehensive 1099-B come tax time. If your cryptocurrency brokerage isn't doing that for you, move your money elsewhere. If you can't find a brokerage that does that for you, maybe you should start wondering what other important controls are missing from your brokerage. Just saying.

Good luck getting a comprehensive 1099-B from ShapeShift.

Maybe don't use them then?

Re: IRS reminds taxpayers to report virtual currency transactions

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I thought you didn't need to unless you sold. If you simply buy or receive, that also needs to be reported? I have some of those stellar/lumens from when they awarded them for free for signing up back in 2016, but have never sold or transferred them.

Keep in mind: - Trading cryptocurrencies produces capital gains or losses, with the latter being able to offset gains and reduce tax. - Exchanging one token for another — for example, using Ethereum to purchase an altcoin — creates a taxable event. The token is treated as being sold, thus generating capital gains or losses. - Receiving payments in crypto in exchange for products or services or as salary is treated as…

I have wondered about the mining rule, that coins are treated as income at the time they are mined. If I have a chicken and it lays an egg, is that a taxable event? If I have a 3D printer machine and it produces a widget, is that taxable also? From my understanding those are not taxable events even though the egg and widget have known market values at the time produced; only when you sell the egg or widget do have ordinary income tax. Even though cryptocurrency is property like the egg or widget, it is not treated the same way when mined. If I understand correctly, mined crypto is double taxed: once when mined and again when you sell/exchange it.

Re: IRS reminds taxpayers to report virtual currency transactions

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The signup promotion in 2016 was for 5000 or 6000 lumens. Historically it looks like in 2016, 6000 lumens would have been worth five or ten bucks. So I guess that should be reported as income back then although it approaches being a rounding error. At some point, stellar converted lumens to stellar. Anyone know if that would be considered a taxable event? Did that change my basis?

Not a tax pro, but I would treat any involuntary conversion similar to a corporate action where you got new shares for old shares, the new shares inherited the basis of the old shares, and would generally not be a taxable event. This is assuming it’s analogous to a tax-free spinoff event in the equities world.

You only get to treat a corporate action as a non-taxable event if the event meets certain requirements and follows certain forms. As cryptocoins aren't actually shares in a corporation, I don't think you're going to get a non-taxable conversion.

Re: IRS reminds taxpayers to report virtual currency transactions

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I have two questions: 1) If one had used bitcoin as a currency (bought pizza, bubblegum, etc.), are these new "treatments" of cryptocurrency implying one has to report each of these purchases and the tax implication there in? 2) Lets say you are a miner and mine a bitcoin a month (I know not realistic but helps simplify question). Now, lets say you buy pizza with bitcoins from your wallet every month. What is the cos…

Of course you need to report them. If you used AMZN stock to buy bubble gum or shoes, you'd have to report it too. Just because it is named crypto "currency" doesn't actually make it a currency...

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