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Re: Regulation could protect Facebook, not punish it

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I can think of three relevant regulations for (large) internet companies 1. Strong anti-monopoly regulation. There is no reason for Facebook owning Whatsapp & Instagram. 2. Once your revenue exceeds x million USD on ad supported services that are free for end users, you must offer the service also for money with reasonable margin on top of the actual production costs, with strong guarantees that the data of end user…

no. 2 is guaranteed cost plus pricing. Quite a lot of fiascos built on that principle.

Regulation is harder than it seems. The legal system we use... it just doesn't really work that way. It doesn't fail just because of corruption and such. That said, here's one. Whatever they collect, users can elect to have a copy and easily with a 3rd party. At least that way we could watch them watching us.

Re: Regulation could protect Facebook, not punish it

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I can think of three relevant regulations for (large) internet companies 1. Strong anti-monopoly regulation. There is no reason for Facebook owning Whatsapp & Instagram. 2. Once your revenue exceeds x million USD on ad supported services that are free for end users, you must offer the service also for money with reasonable margin on top of the actual production costs, with strong guarantees that the data of end user…

On points 2 and 3, why limit this to companies with revenue exceeding x or y million USD?

To not create unnecessary barriers of entry.

Re: Regulation could protect Facebook, not punish it

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post #5

I can think of three relevant regulations for (large) internet companies 1. Strong anti-monopoly regulation. There is no reason for Facebook owning Whatsapp & Instagram. 2. Once your revenue exceeds x million USD on ad supported services that are free for end users, you must offer the service also for money with reasonable margin on top of the actual production costs, with strong guarantees that the data of end user…

On points 2 and 3, why limit this to companies with revenue exceeding x or y million USD?

I assume it is specifically to avoid killing startups in the crib.

Re: Regulation could protect Facebook, not punish it

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post #5

I can think of three relevant regulations for (large) internet companies 1. Strong anti-monopoly regulation. There is no reason for Facebook owning Whatsapp & Instagram. 2. Once your revenue exceeds x million USD on ad supported services that are free for end users, you must offer the service also for money with reasonable margin on top of the actual production costs, with strong guarantees that the data of end user…

no. 2 is guaranteed cost plus pricing. Quite a lot of fiascos built on that principle. Regulation is harder than it seems. The legal system we use... it just doesn't really work that way. It doesn't fail just because of corruption and such. That said, here's one. Whatever they collect, users can elect to have a copy and easily with a 3rd party. At least that way we could watch them watching us.

Some form of analytics that can report each downstream access.

Re: Regulation could protect Facebook, not punish it

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post #5

I can think of three relevant regulations for (large) internet companies 1. Strong anti-monopoly regulation. There is no reason for Facebook owning Whatsapp & Instagram. 2. Once your revenue exceeds x million USD on ad supported services that are free for end users, you must offer the service also for money with reasonable margin on top of the actual production costs, with strong guarantees that the data of end user…

no. 2 is guaranteed cost plus pricing. Quite a lot of fiascos built on that principle. Regulation is harder than it seems. The legal system we use... it just doesn't really work that way. It doesn't fail just because of corruption and such. That said, here's one. Whatever they collect, users can elect to have a copy and easily with a 3rd party. At least that way we could watch them watching us.

I am confident that facebook makes much more money on the ads it shows me than what is any reasonable margin on the actual cost of serving me the pages and storing my status updates. So in this case this guaranteed cost plus is much less than what facebook currently does.

Re: Regulation could protect Facebook, not punish it

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I think that future (social) data-mining startups will need to address these things in order to be regulatory agnostic (on top of the general product/market fit):

- solving the decentralized infrastructure: as nodes get taken offline, they can replace themselves, and service is still usable

- solving payments for services to third parties that aren't directly the users: cannot rely on traditional payments infrastructure, since that is easily co-opted by regulatory bodies and be used agaisnt the developers/owners of such services since those have traditionally tied ones identity to such payment information.

Re: Regulation could protect Facebook, not punish it

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It's well known at this point that regulations tend to protect incumbents in many industries by making it more expensive for startups to compete. Industry support for regulations can seem counter-intuitive -- why would a company want to increase its cost of doing business? But it makes sense when you consider that the costs are an anti-competitive weapon. One example is when Philip Morris supported FDA regulations of…

I really don’t care if building codes, automotive safety regulations, and standards of medical care make it hard on new businesses. My priorities are not dying in a car crash, my home not falling on my head, and avoiding incompetent doctors. Regulation on tobacco may have helped incumbents stay incumbent, but it also led to record judgements against the, and the rapid decline of their industry in the developed world. That it’s harder for a tobacco startup to get off the ground is a bonus.

Re: Regulation could protect Facebook, not punish it

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post #10
post #5

I can think of three relevant regulations for (large) internet companies 1. Strong anti-monopoly regulation. There is no reason for Facebook owning Whatsapp & Instagram. 2. Once your revenue exceeds x million USD on ad supported services that are free for end users, you must offer the service also for money with reasonable margin on top of the actual production costs, with strong guarantees that the data of end user…

#3 sounds like a cool idea, I think knowing how your data is being used is important and allows users to make more informed decisions about how they give their data away. I think #2 is over-regulation, given #3 users can decide if they want to support the product or not by using it. Also, if you deactivate your account companies should no longer be able to use your data.

I think we are currently beyond the point where most people actually can choose whether or not to use some services. So I think it would be appropriate to have the option to pay for these services while keeping the privacy.

Re: Regulation could protect Facebook, not punish it

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danah boyd wrote in a 2010 essay (“Facebook is a utility; utilities get regulated”, http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2010/05/15/faceboo...):

“In my post yesterday, I emphasized that what’s at stake with Facebook today is not about privacy or publicity but informed consent and choice. Facebook speaks of itself as a utility while also telling people they have a choice. But there’s a conflict here. We know this conflict deeply in the United States. When it comes to utilities like water, power, sewage, Internet, etc., I am constantly told that I have a choice. But like hell I’d choose Comcast if I had a choice. Still, I subscribe to Comcast. Begrudgingly. Because the “choice” I have is Internet or no Internet.

“I hate all of the utilities in my life. Venomous hatred. And because they’re monopolies, they feel no need to make me appreciate them. Cuz they know that I’m not going to give up water, power, sewage, or the Internet out of spite. Nor will most people give up Facebook, regardless of how much they grow to hate them.”

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“Thus far, in the world of privacy, when a company oversteps its hand, people flip out, governments threaten regulation, and companies back off. This is not what’s happening with Facebook. Why? Because they know people won’t leave and Facebook doesn’t think that regulators matter. In our public discourse, we keep talking about the former and ignoring the latter. We can talk about alternatives to Facebook until we’re blue in the face and we can point to the handful of people who are leaving as “proof” that Facebook will decline, but that’s because we’re fooling ourselves. If Facebook is a utility – and I strongly believe it is – the handful of people who are building cabins in the woods to get away from the evil utility companies are irrelevant in light of all of the people who will suck up and deal with the utility to live in the city. This is going to come down to regulation, whether we like it or not.

“The problem is that we in the tech industry don’t like regulation. Not because we’re evil but because we know that regulation tends to make a mess of things. We like the threat of regulation and we hope that it will keep things at bay without actually requiring stupidity. So somehow, the social norm has been to push as far as possible and then pull back quickly when regulatory threats emerge. Of course, there have been exceptions. And I work for one of them. Two decades ago, Microsoft was as arrogant as they come and they didn’t balk at the threat of regulation. As a result, the company spent years mired in regulatory hell. And being painted as evil. The company still lives with that weight and the guilt wrt they company’s historical hubris is palpable throughout the industry.

“I cannot imagine that Facebook wants to be regulated, but I fear that it thinks that it won’t be. There’s cockiness in the air. Personally, I don’t care whether or not Facebook alone gets regulated, but regulation’s impact tends to extend much further than one company. And I worry about what kinds of regulation we’ll see. Don’t get me wrong: I think that regulators will come in with the best of intentions; they often (but not always) do. I just think that what they decide will have unintended consequences that are far more harmful than helpful and this makes me angry at Facebook for playing chicken with them. I’m not a libertarian but I’ve come to respect libertarian fears of government regulation because regulation often does backfire in some of the most frustrating ways. (A few weeks ago, I wrote a letter to be included in the COPPA hearings outlining why the intention behind COPPA was great and the result dreadful.) The difference is that I’m not so against regulation as to not welcome it when people are being screwed. And sadly, I think that we’re getting there. I just wish that Facebook would’ve taken a more responsible path so that we wouldn’t have to deal with what’s coming. And I wish that they’d realize that the people they’re screwing are those who are most vulnerable already, those whose voices they’ll never hear if they don’t make an effort.”

Re: Regulation could protect Facebook, not punish it

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post #5

I can think of three relevant regulations for (large) internet companies 1. Strong anti-monopoly regulation. There is no reason for Facebook owning Whatsapp & Instagram. 2. Once your revenue exceeds x million USD on ad supported services that are free for end users, you must offer the service also for money with reasonable margin on top of the actual production costs, with strong guarantees that the data of end user…

> Once your revenue exceeds x million USD on ad supported services that are free for end users, you must offer the service also for money with reasonable margin on top of the actual production costs, with strong guarantees that the data of end user who has opted for paid service is kept private and not monetized anyhow

I like the size threshold but not the solution. Toying with business models should be a solution of last resort.

Simpler: for companies with more than X users or Y gross revenues, an American GDPR. Consumers get an absolute right to audit and delete their data. Explicit consent is required for each instance of third-party sharing. Companies are liable to their users for breaches, with a minimum amount directly claimable by users through an easily-accessibly regulator.

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