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Thoughts on Embracing the Social Internet Over Social Media

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Re: Thoughts on Embracing the Social Internet Over Social Media

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> For those who don’t crave recognition, it induces a digital life that’s more localized to closer friends and family — a state that’s more congruent with our fundamental human instincts.

It's a noble goal.

To achieve it, the author suggests that people buy a domain name, spend $4 a month on web hosting, and manually install Wordpress. The author leaves out ssl, so I assume either the person is going to pay some more for a cert or spend time learning about LetsEncrypt and installing CertBot.

Add to that Wordpress maintenance time and time installing plugins.

Subtract from that the ability to write polemics on any of these topics:

* geopolitics wrt Ukraine

* diversity in tech/gaming

* China's policy on Tibet

* probably others that I'm missing.

Because if rile up anyone with even slight hacking skills (or anyone who could pay such a person) your $5 a month website is toast.

And we're apparently replacing the attention economy with "directly checking your site," RSS, and email newsletters.

If we're going to entertain technical-user fantasies like this make-the-internet-great-again piece does, can't we as technologist at least imagine a less boring future?

* it should cost $0 to publish

* the more popular/polemical one's writing, the faster it it should be to retrieve the document. You know, technology that has existed for close to two decades now

* it should be as easy to use the software of our fantasies as it is to use the awful social media networks we're decrying. Drudgery shouldn't be a badge of ethics.

* it should also probably be able to deliver publicly-funded scientific journal articles at $0 cost to the user.

Actually that last one is key. If someone thinks they've got a Facebook-killer, don't describe the technical underpinnings to me. Just give me a search bar to find publicly-funded scientific journal articles on your system. If I can discover them and read them and they haven't disappeared after a month, I'll then consider using your system to express myself.

Re: Thoughts on Embracing the Social Internet Over Social Media

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> "...the development of open social protocols that support the network effect usefulness of large social networks without a centralized company in charge." Not sure what exact shape the author imagines this might take, but I've had this idea (dream) in the back of my mind for a long time.. We need a standardized protocol that is open (I.E. not controlled by or dependent on 1 or 2 companies), private and secure by de…

I think we need to think of social protocols less as a technical solution and more as what I'd describe in my day job as a 'business process'. Sure, part of this will be tech-enabled and parts will be fully automated, but I feel that what is really lacking is an internet etiquette that can be abstracted over different channels or platforms.

Consider Facebook. With the friend request it invented a new social protocol. It was based on an underlying technical need (this platform will allow you to message, interact with and view the content of this target user) but became a social contract (I assert that I know and am willing to interact with this person on a level where they can see my daily updates and information that I have chosen to share). This was incredibly rigid and binary, but essentially shaped the social media landscape and affected the way that users, especially early users considered their friendships and acquaintances.

Also its a bit out of vogue now, but there was a massive 'thing' of the facebook relationship status being some kind of social registry.

If anyone has read the 'Kingkiller' chronicle books by Patrick Rothfuss, I would imagine a 'social protocol' to be something like the 'rings' system from the city of Severin. Simple ruleset, but allows complex social emergent behaviour and could be abstracted over different mediums or communications channels.

Re: Thoughts on Embracing the Social Internet Over Social Media

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> "...the development of open social protocols that support the network effect usefulness of large social networks without a centralized company in charge." Not sure what exact shape the author imagines this might take, but I've had this idea (dream) in the back of my mind for a long time.. We need a standardized protocol that is open (I.E. not controlled by or dependent on 1 or 2 companies), private and secure by de…

I think your last point is a key point in this. Such a protocol wouldn’t just need to match what’s already available by centralized services. Like Email or HTTP before it, it’d need to be innovative in and of itself. If Snapchat were an open Facebook implementation, it would not have taken off.

It likely would need some compelling user-focused feature/gimmick + rock solid UI in order to get a foothold in the market.

However, the real innovation would be in managing the cryptographic keys in a way that is both secure (within parameters) and dead simple for end users.

This is the part where someone starts shouting "blockchain!" Not sure if that's the solution, but with enough smart minds thinking about it I'm sure a there's a way.

Re: Thoughts on Embracing the Social Internet Over Social Media

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think your last point is a key point in this. Such a protocol wouldn’t just need to match what’s already available by centralized services. Like Email or HTTP before it, it’d need to be innovative in and of itself. If Snapchat were an open Facebook implementation, it would not have taken off.

It likely would need some compelling user-focused feature/gimmick + rock solid UI in order to get a foothold in the market. However, the real innovation would be in managing the cryptographic keys in a way that is both secure (within parameters) and dead simple for end users. This is the part where someone starts shouting "blockchain!" Not sure if that's the solution, but with enough smart minds thinking about it I'm…

You need to build trust with early adopters which is through clear explanation . You need good branding too, as part of tapping into user behaviour psychology - things need to be easy and flow well, needs to be immediately understandable and intuitive to some degree, without being so shallow as to being hype or potential propaganda. Blockchain may be the answer or part of the answer, I personally hope incentivized blockchains won't be successful for their unnecessary downside/unreasonable value extraction/subtle reallocation.

Re: Thoughts on Embracing the Social Internet Over Social Media

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If I may shamelessly mention the project we've been working on the last 7 years...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ1O_gmPneI

1. We started with the idea that actually social tools would let you get in, get out and get on with life. They would help you coordinate your actual social life in the real world instead of sucking up your time online. A minute spent on the app would result in hours socializing in the real world, not the other way around. Group activities would form like snowballs leading to an actual goal, not random chatting. Thus came the first part of our mission: Empowering People.

2. We also realized very soon that communities wanted to install our software themselves. The flipside of letting people actually get together on their own time, is that we can help unite their members and engage them. Universities and Buildings, for example, release their own social app to their Students and Tenants, and allow them to find one another and connect on their own time. (See https://qbix.com/communities). Thus we cane upon the second part of our mission: Uniting Communities

3. We realized there is actually no good open source alternative to Facebook, that communities can install the same way they can install Wordpress for blogs. We wanted to change the world and have developers and startups build social apps as easily as Wordpress plugins. We wanted communities to run our platform and apps even on a mesh network or router disconnected from the Internet - REAL decentralization, to be used in countries with censorship, or on a cruise or remote village to plan dinners, date, etc.

But the world has changed since blogs and we had to build and maintain literally thousands of features, from user signup to data access to payments. We recently got a security audit by an outside firm and are proud to say that they found (and since patched) only three, very hard to exploit, vulnerabilities in the entire platform. The code is at (https://github.com/Qbix/Platform). We don't have a slogan for this part of our mission yet :)

It's totally free and open source, and we will begin growing a community around it in 2018. If you want to join or find out more, contact me -- the email is greg and the domain is qbix.com

See a 7 minute video about it to understand fully the how and why:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ1O_gmPneI

Re: Thoughts on Embracing the Social Internet Over Social Media

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post #10

Welcome to how the internet used to be. It's amazing that people's memories are so short on this subject, if you have enough smart people pushing corporate experience X or Y then everyone assumes that's the only option. The first step is rejecting the aggressive attempts at corporations to ensure you live in their "garden" as much as possible. It's bizarre that people are doing gymnastics about how if you just restri…

I recently created a web site. Just black text on white background. I write about stuff I find interesting. So far a few unfinished pages. I don't even think it is indexed yet. It is my rebellion against pixel perfect audience building technical blogging and what not. It feels good. I might add links to other similar pages at some point. Anyone else makes old fashioned web sites?

Pretty much all websites I make are like this. It's text, it uses minimal HTML formatting and a tiny bit of javascript if absolutely necessary (HTML has no #include directive).

There is no CSS, I just use tables. Eat me.

Re: Thoughts on Embracing the Social Internet Over Social Media

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I think its a good take.

The problem its hard when not social media to get visibility.

Its easy to start a blog (wordpress/blogger/tumblr etc.. ), its harder to get people to go to it and periodically check it out. RSS aggregators/ google reader was a good way to do this, but they've fallen out of favor. There is a ghost town of abandoned blogs on the internet presumably because they didn't get the reads/ interaction.

Its almost like you need to announce your new blogpost on twitter/ fb..

But I think there are solutions.

I saw this open source groupware on hn a while back and am starting to get in installed for an art non-profit. There are probably others, but I'm going install and see how it goes:

https://www.agorakit.org/en/

Re: Thoughts on Embracing the Social Internet Over Social Media

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> "...the development of open social protocols that support the network effect usefulness of large social networks without a centralized company in charge." Not sure what exact shape the author imagines this might take, but I've had this idea (dream) in the back of my mind for a long time.. We need a standardized protocol that is open (I.E. not controlled by or dependent on 1 or 2 companies), private and secure by de…

> My grandparent's aren't going to host and configure their own blog.

My grandparents didn't set up their own Facebook account either. We (mainly my mom, I think) did it for them. You could help your grandparents set up a blog, then show them how to post to it (think something like WordPress or Ghost, not a static site using Markdown and Git). After all, they had to learn the Facebook interface too.

Re: Thoughts on Embracing the Social Internet Over Social Media

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I think its a good take. The problem its hard when not social media to get visibility. Its easy to start a blog (wordpress/blogger/tumblr etc.. ), its harder to get people to go to it and periodically check it out. RSS aggregators/ google reader was a good way to do this, but they've fallen out of favor. There is a ghost town of abandoned blogs on the internet presumably because they didn't get the reads/ interaction…

Please post about your experience on hn once you have it implemented. It will be valuable to the community and generate discussion for other options.
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