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Re: Ask HN: Does HN respect the GDPR?

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Post by mdekkers »

madez wrote: post #96
madez wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is incorrect. You don't need to specifically target the EU. If you handle data from European citizens, the GDPR applies to you.

I'm baffled. Why the downvotes? See for applicability: https://gdpr-info.eu/art-3-gdpr/ Also, in the case of HN, YC offers a service. Just like a forum is a service, this discussion and news platform is a service. It's irrelevant if it's paid for or free.

I'm baffled. Why the downvotes?

Because HN is now like Reddit, but for techno-snobs. If you don't follow the tightly defined groupthink, you'll get downvoted.

Many years of discussion groups have proven that downvoting has a chilling effect on discussion groups. Allow upvotes, and "spam" flags.

Re: Ask HN: Does HN respect the GDPR?

#102

Post by madez »

ubercow13 wrote: post #61
billconan wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

please read: https://blog.axeptio.eu/en/2018/03/20/gdpr-and-united-states...

>Does your online activity lead you to sell goods or services in the European Union? HN is not selling anything

YC does not need to sell anything. HN is a service offered by YC: a news and discussion platform service.

Re: Ask HN: Does HN respect the GDPR?

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Post by jakeogh »

emodendroket wrote: post #100
jakeogh wrote: post #99

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First, that has not happened. Second, would it really be so hard to support your claims with sources? If the guy gets extradited, he's going to first get charged with a US crime.

That's not how extradition actually works. If you want to read about Gulen you can type "Gulen" into a search engine as easily as I can.

Don't you find it a bit odd that you keep making claims that you can not or will not support? Is a (non) reference to something that has not happened all you are willing to provide? To extradite someone from the US, you must:

1. Have probable cause to arrest them.

2. Arrest them.

3. Convict them.

4. Extradite them.

Why don't you just say "how extradition actually works"?

Re: Ask HN: Does HN respect the GDPR?

#104

Post by emodendroket »

jakeogh wrote: post #103
emodendroket wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not how extradition actually works. If you want to read about Gulen you can type "Gulen" into a search engine as easily as I can.

Don't you find it a bit odd that you keep making claims that you can not or will not support? Is a (non) reference to something that has not happened all you are willing to provide? To extradite someone from the US, you must: 1. Have probable cause to arrest them. 2. Arrest them. 3. Convict them. 4. Extradite them. Why don't you just say "how extradition actually works"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fethullah_G%C3%BClen#Extraditi...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_law_in_the_United_...

Here you go, my friend. I welcome you to find the part of this where it says that someone being extradited has to be found guilty of violating US law or that they have to be convicted before being extradited. As you can see here, the requirements actually have to do with what treaties say and whether there is probable cause (a much lower standard than a conviction).

Re: Ask HN: Does HN respect the GDPR?

#105

Post by jakeogh »

emodendroket wrote: post #104
jakeogh wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't you find it a bit odd that you keep making claims that you can not or will not support? Is a (non) reference to something that has not happened all you are willing to provide? To extradite someone from the US, you must: 1. Have probable cause to arrest them. 2. Arrest them. 3. Convict them. 4. Extradite them. Why don't you just say "how extradition actually works"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fethullah_G%C3%BClen#Extraditi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_law_in_the_United_... Here you go, my friend. I welcome you to find the part of this where it says that someone being extradited has to be found guilty of violating US law or that they have to be convicted before being extradited. As you can see here, the requirements actually have to do with what treaties say an…

He is not a US citizen, so he is not a example of what we are talking about. I'll not go into Habeas Corpus, but you might be interested in how that works, even for him.

Also, the first paragraph of the second link says "(other than citizens, nationals or permanent residents of the United States)". Wikipedia is never a source, but it's correct here.

US Citizens, in the US, who have not violated US law, are not subject to the laws of any other country. That's the point of having sovereignty.

Re: Ask HN: Does HN respect the GDPR?

#106

Post by gregmac »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #76
agotterer wrote: post #42

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I'm not a lawyer either, but have been going through the GDPR process at my job. It doesn't matter if you operate or are established in the EU. If you have EU visitors/users they gain the protections of the GDPR and you have to comply. GDPR affects any org/site that collects personal or sensitive data. Amongst many others IP address and email address are considered PII under GDPR. We use IP address for some high leve…

In the case of hackernews it seems like email address, ip, profiles, and comments could contain personally identifiable data. You aren't required to put anything in the profile. If you choose to put information in the profile, you can remove it yourself at any time you so choose.

The GDPR also requires personal information be removed from backups, or at least after a backup is restored (eg: restoring from backup does not negate the original Right To Be Forgotten request).

So while you can remove some of that info yourself, I don't think that can be seen as fulfilling GDPR requirements.

Disclaimer: I am neither a lawyer nor GDPR expert.

Re: Ask HN: Does HN respect the GDPR?

#107

Post by [deleted] »

ryanlol wrote: post #71
brightball wrote: post #51

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I'm very interested to see how such requests would actually work...mainly because I'm curious to see what actual authority the EU has to enforce its laws outside of its borders. I understand it applying to companies that are doing business in Europe but beyond that...?

There's a plenty of measures the EU could take within it's jurisdiction to enforce it's laws around the world. It might suck if the EU started blocking payments to you.

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