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Re: Problems coming for online publishing

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This is a rather asinine line of argumentation. (a) The New York Time's newsroom and editorial staff are rather well-separated from their business department which makes decision about ad tech on their website. If you don't believe me, see this paragraph from a recent article at The Atlantic, which operates by the same principle: As you read this article on The Atlantic, roughly three dozen ad trackers are watching y…

Might I suggest reading the article and not just the title?

>By the way, I want to make clear that Zeynep, Brian and Natasha are all innocents here, thanks to the “Chinese wall” between the editorial and publishing functions of the Times. In fact same irony applies to countless other correct and important reporting on the Facebook/Cambridge Analytica mess by other writers and pubs.

Re: Problems coming for online publishing

#52

This is a rather asinine line of argumentation. (a) The New York Time's newsroom and editorial staff are rather well-separated from their business department which makes decision about ad tech on their website. If you don't believe me, see this paragraph from a recent article at The Atlantic, which operates by the same principle: As you read this article on The Atlantic, roughly three dozen ad trackers are watching y…

> Every time you change devices or delete cookies, the ad targeting starts from a blank slate.

This hasn’t been true for quite some time. These banks on you are really elaborate. They know where you live, they know where you work, they know where you drink your coffee and they know your online behavior.

Those factors mean that you’re never truely anonymous anymore. When you buy a new device it gets tiered to your access points, then your online behavior gets profiled and matched to people who frequent your access points.

Last summer I was on a business trip to another region of my country. Just before I went I had to turn in my work pc for repairs, which meant I had to use the borrow device from our IT department. Despite never having used this device before, and never having logged in from that particular hotel I still ended up getting adds for a very specific online course that I had taken earlier that month as well as a pair of shoes I had just bought.

I guess the irony in that is that even though they we’re able to pinpoint who I was, through what seem like impossible means, they still didn’t know I had actually already bought those products they were advertising.

Re: Problems coming for online publishing

#53
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arguing against one's interests should not necessarily be taken at face value. It's a viable persuasion strategy if you are in for a long con.

Ah yes, the old "maintain a good reputation by behaving honestly" scheme.

This is the whole basis of a confidence trick. It's harder to believe someone's duping you after they earn your trust. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick

Re: Problems coming for online publishing

#54
No, change isn't coming. Sorry.

Trump's victory signaled a social media gold-rush for political campaigns. 2018 is a major election year in American politics. You can bet that campaigns are evaluating and signing onto social media related efforts. To meet this demand, as Cambridge Analytica buckles, others will take it place. The people who benefit by these services are those who make the laws. While legislators benefit by social media targeted services, there won't be a political will sufficient to pass a law that will slay the goose laying golden eggs.

Re: Problems coming for online publishing

#55

This is a rather asinine line of argumentation. (a) The New York Time's newsroom and editorial staff are rather well-separated from their business department which makes decision about ad tech on their website. If you don't believe me, see this paragraph from a recent article at The Atlantic, which operates by the same principle: As you read this article on The Atlantic, roughly three dozen ad trackers are watching y…

Regarding (b): That's odd, maybe this differs depending on where the web surfer comes from? The New York Times definitely does require me to sign up.

Re: Problems coming for online publishing

#56
Compare ad tech that news websites use to what Cambridge Analytica did.

1. Ad tech:

As I browse, my interests are accumulated into basic interest groups, demographic data, and maybe recently visited websites that use tracking.

The result: when I visit a news website, I might see an ad for tennis racquets (because of interest), or a local bank (because of location), or DigitalOcean hosting, because I recently visited that site.

2. Facebook's platform, used by Cambridge Analytica:

I install a Facebook psychological quiz app (supposedly from the prestigious Cambridge university), and give it permission to access my data.

Through that, Republican campaigns also access my grandmother's account, with all of her photos, likes, and comments. They use that data to learn her deepest fears.

They hire designers and writers to create fake news websites, and get their propaganda stories to appear in her Facebook news feed, where they appear to be legitimate right next to the news about the local sports team.

The result: when I visit for Christmas, I have to try to calm her down, that Hillary Clinton isn't actually running a late term abortion clinic out of a pizza parlor. And she won't believe me.

Re: Problems coming for online publishing

#57

Compare ad tech that news websites use to what Cambridge Analytica did. 1. Ad tech: As I browse, my interests are accumulated into basic interest groups, demographic data, and maybe recently visited websites that use tracking. The result: when I visit a news website, I might see an ad for tennis racquets (because of interest), or a local bank (because of location), or DigitalOcean hosting, because I recently visited…

You are normalizing data collection by third party companies. The article is about selling our data to third party by both Facebook and other websites.

Truth is we don't know what any of those companies are doing besides showing ads. Maybe today they are not doing it, but tomorrow they can use it for other purposes. They know what people are browsing and what their interests are for a location.

Also they can pinpoint users by ip, canvas fingerprinting, fonts installed etc.. https://firstpartysimulator.net/tracker

Re: Problems coming for online publishing

#58

Compare ad tech that news websites use to what Cambridge Analytica did. 1. Ad tech: As I browse, my interests are accumulated into basic interest groups, demographic data, and maybe recently visited websites that use tracking. The result: when I visit a news website, I might see an ad for tennis racquets (because of interest), or a local bank (because of location), or DigitalOcean hosting, because I recently visited…

Can we please keep the reddit style hysterics on reddit? I pretty much left reddit to escape the fake political nonsense. And with all due respect, you are doing exactly what you claim cambridge analytica did. You are pushing extreme fear and agenda. But for what end?

> As I browse, my interests are accumulated into basic interest groups, demographic data, and maybe recently visited websites that use tracking.

You are forgetting installing cookies and fingerprinting ( amongst others ) to track across platforms. You are forgetting using that data to target customers with tailored fearmongering news articles to better clickbait.

> Through that, Republican campaigns also access my grandmother's account, with all of her photos, likes, and comments. They use that data to learn her deepest fears.

I hate to break this to you but everyone does this. Obama did this. The democrats did. Hillary's campaign did this.

I love how you excuse news websites when they cause hysteria and panic over nonsense like campus rape crisis and pay gap in male and female sports. Not to mention the hysteria over cambridge analytica. Seems like the news has done far more harm to you than facebook did to your grandmother, assuming your story is legit and not made up.

I recommend you go watch the 13th on netflix to see how news and media can be dangerous. The problem now is that news has access to tons of data about us ( just like facebook ). The biggest difference is that facebook was pretty much "neutral" whereas the news/media are highly biased. Facebook allowed both trump and hillary political ads.

Re: Problems coming for online publishing

#59

Compare ad tech that news websites use to what Cambridge Analytica did. 1. Ad tech: As I browse, my interests are accumulated into basic interest groups, demographic data, and maybe recently visited websites that use tracking. The result: when I visit a news website, I might see an ad for tennis racquets (because of interest), or a local bank (because of location), or DigitalOcean hosting, because I recently visited…

Can we please keep the reddit style hysterics on reddit? I pretty much left reddit to escape the fake political nonsense. And with all due respect, you are doing exactly what you claim cambridge analytica did. You are pushing extreme fear and agenda. But for what end? > As I browse, my interests are accumulated into basic interest groups, demographic data, and maybe recently visited websites that use tracking. You ar…

You are right, both sides are to blame, but this don’t make any of the them better.

In Brazil we have the same mentality of “sides” and I believe that this is destroying the good sense of some people.

It’s not because everyone does it that it should be the norm, or that is not evil.

Our true challenge is how we can stop this type of propaganda without hurting any freedom?

In Brazil All the big publishers are in someway connected to the people in power, so our non-fake-news were never really impartial or independent. Some even say that the media should be controlled by the government (which is to me a 1984 scenario, but not so much different from what it’s today).

I believe that the only way to end this fake-news madness will be a truly anonymous p2p communication, but this would generate another kind of problem.

(Sorry for my english, I’m still learning how to write properly and an argument is kind hard to do, I may sound like provocative but that is because of my lack of vocabulary not my intentions)

Re: Problems coming for online publishing

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we please keep the reddit style hysterics on reddit? I pretty much left reddit to escape the fake political nonsense. And with all due respect, you are doing exactly what you claim cambridge analytica did. You are pushing extreme fear and agenda. But for what end? > As I browse, my interests are accumulated into basic interest groups, demographic data, and maybe recently visited websites that use tracking. You ar…

You are right, both sides are to blame, but this don’t make any of the them better. In Brazil we have the same mentality of “sides” and I believe that this is destroying the good sense of some people. It’s not because everyone does it that it should be the norm, or that is not evil. Our true challenge is how we can stop this type of propaganda without hurting any freedom? In Brazil All the big publishers are in somew…

> You are right, both sides are to blame, but this don’t make any of the them better.

(Both sides refer to the broadcast/online media & commercial/political ad campaigns)

Blame can only be placed on either party if there exists the prior assumption that people should believe all things which are presented to them as fact. If this assumption does not exist and without facilities responsible for fact-checking then it's only the individual that is responsible for dividing fact from fiction.

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