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Re: California’s quality of life is the worst in the country?

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Post by freejulian »

spicymaki wrote: post #66
nodesocket wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Backwards is relative. Being religious, anti-globalization, or conservative doesn't make you a horrible person. The bay area is probably the most intolerant place I've ever been. I've personally seen people unfriend friends because of politics without even being able to have a thoughtful and educated discussion about the issues. The bay area is group thinking "madness of crowds" at its worse. I encourage watching Pet…

Let’s be real. Aren’t you just trading one groupthink (liberal west coast) for another groupthink (conservative south east) that meets your desires? Do you really think a thoughtful and educated discussion would have really helped?

Wow you’re trapped in a bubble. The valley is the most close minded place I’ve ever lived. Live in NYC for a bit, it’s the polar opposite.

Re: California’s quality of life is the worst in the country?

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Post by DoreenMichele »

kumarm wrote: post #68
DoreenMichele wrote: post #40

I left California last September. Moving someplace cheaper allowed me to get back into housing. That was all I expected to get out of it. Other than getting off the street, I didn't expect significant improvement in quality of life. I moved to a small town that did not have all the stuff I wanted. I expected to kind of put up with it in order to be able to afford housing. But after getting here, our mantra has become…

[There is no bag ban here] Seriously? Single-Use Carryout Bag Ban a concern for you?

Yup.

http://michelerebooted.blogspot.com/2017/10/the-lawful-awful...

Re: California’s quality of life is the worst in the country?

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Post by tehlike »

mattnewton wrote: post #18

Came back from walking along the beautiful Santa Cruz coast this afternoon and read this. All I can think is this is a genius way to slow down the immigration rate until legislation and housing developments can catch up :)

I bet there are plenty of coastal areas with similar effect. East coast was nice, for me, for example. If you like all seasons, they might be more interesting than cali.

Re: California’s quality of life is the worst in the country?

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Post by kelp »

matmo wrote: post #19
iambateman wrote: post #14

Don’t worry, the #1 quality-of-life state is North Dakota so clearly the methodology is wack. Have you ever heard someone say: “man, when I finish my internship, I hope I can go to North Dakota where there is lots of happiness?” No. Because it’s -40° there half the year.

As much as I'd like to buy a house outside of California, I can't imagine living in cold weather constantly. I really need sunlight/warmth, and I can't help but feel like I would miss California's weather.

I live in San Francisco, but I've spent this whole winter in Utah, and it's actually been quite wonderful.

Re: California’s quality of life is the worst in the country?

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Post by toasterlovin »

cpt1138 wrote: post #27
ihsw2 wrote: post #12

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The rampant homelessness and drug use for one, the putrid mess that is downtown SF for another.

Also California is a huge place, not just SF and LA. We have as many national parks as Alaska, 100's of some of the most beautiful state parks and 100's of county parks. Many states have much worse drug problems per capita. Any country of 39M people and the economy we have is going to have upsides and downsides.

Not having a viable path to produce the next generation doesn’t seem like a viable long term strategy to me.

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Post by kelp »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #72
kumarm wrote: post #68

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[There is no bag ban here] Seriously? Single-Use Carryout Bag Ban a concern for you?

Yup. http://michelerebooted.blogspot.com/2017/10/the-lawful-awful...

There is also this theory that it's caused a Hepatis outbreak: http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/hepatitis-crisis/sd...

People who are homeless would often use plastic bags as a bathroom, and then throw it in the trash. No more plastic bags, so they can't do that...

Not sure what real evidence there is for it, but I always love an unintended consequences story.

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Post by kumarm »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #72
kumarm wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[There is no bag ban here] Seriously? Single-Use Carryout Bag Ban a concern for you?

Yup. http://michelerebooted.blogspot.com/2017/10/the-lawful-awful...

Thats BS. You mean to tell me, the people who walk up to store to buy groceries cannot carry a reusable empty bag?

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Post by enraged_camel »

newnewpdro wrote: post #67
enraged_camel wrote: post #33

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Kansas is awful - don’t move there. Governor Brownback’s insane low-tax plan has starved government services and thoroughly ruined the state over the past decade.

Citations would be helpful...

Here: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/07/us/sam-brownback-kansa...

Brownback’s tax plan was so awful for the state that Republicans called him out on his bullshit and overrode his veto of a tax increase bill. Article has more details and links.

Re: California’s quality of life is the worst in the country?

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

ars wrote: post #57
sehugg wrote: post #25

Here are the criteria: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/quality-of-... Among the measures used to evaluate states' natural environments are drinking water quality, air quality and total toxic chemical pollution per square. The ranking also considers how much each state puts its citizens at risk for long-term, chronic health effects from pollution. Social environment, on the other hand, investigates ho…

That says more about you than about the study. Have you ever lived in a place like that? With real community? Neighbors that care about you? Who know who you are? Who notice if you are having an issue? Who go out of their way to help you if you need it? Could you, right now, walk over to a neighbor and say "I need to go to xxx for reason xxx, could you watch my kids for 2 days?", and expect them to either say yes, or…

While I don’t have kids, a friend of mine in San Francisco does. She’s good friends with the neighbors who have a son the same age as hers. If she had to leave suddenly, I’m certain they’d do anything they could to help.

Outside of Silicon Valley where I grew up, in the Santa Cruz mountains, we also had neighbors we could trust who would help us if they could.

I do feel that Silicon Valley is less friendly than nearby Santa Cruz, but anecdotally we do have neighbors who will help.

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Post by Spooky23 »

kumarm wrote: post #68
DoreenMichele wrote: post #40

I left California last September. Moving someplace cheaper allowed me to get back into housing. That was all I expected to get out of it. Other than getting off the street, I didn't expect significant improvement in quality of life. I moved to a small town that did not have all the stuff I wanted. I expected to kind of put up with it in order to be able to afford housing. But after getting here, our mantra has become…

[There is no bag ban here] Seriously? Single-Use Carryout Bag Ban a concern for you?

I agree and think that these sorts of laws create hassle without much benefit. There are probably a hundred more impactful things that could make a measurable impact in the earth without pushing cost and hassle on people dealing with enough of both.

In my county, (not in California) a former fat guy turned crossfitter on the legislature pushed bans on all sorts of stuff, including transfat. Counties only control regulation for food places less than 20,000 square feet, so mr. healthy food put every bakery in county out of business (literally) and left us with factory manufactured crap in supermarkets, etc.

The point is, flashy nonsense doesn’t help when you have real problems.

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