Ask HN: What percentage of your users are using social login? • Hacker News Board

Re: Ask HN: What percentage of your users are using social login?

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Post by jasonthevillain » Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 6:42 PM UTC

chiefalchemist wrote: post #61

tootie wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think password managers have as much penetration as you think and they only work on devices you own. Social login doesn't necessarily give up that much info. Your social network knows who logged in to. The third-party only gets whatever info you accede to which usually is just an email address or name. The huge bonus to users and site owners is that that site isn't storing a password for you. It's easy to scr…

I think you just made a case for DuckDuckGo or (e.g.) LastPass to provided an authentication servive. Mind you, products would have to adopt it. But from a sec + privacy perspective it makes sense to have a 3rd party whose biz model isn't to harvest your personal details.

Mozilla Persona tried this. It was a good user experience, but it never gained enough traction and eventually they shut it down.

Re: Ask HN: What percentage of your users are using social login?

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Post by hamstercat » Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 6:47 PM UTC

In a previous job I had, I was responsible for the authentication service of the organization (big B2C company). Even if it wasn't available from the get go, over time about half of the logins were done with social media, Facebook and Google in our case.

Re: Ask HN: What percentage of your users are using social login?

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Post by hamstercat » Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 6:56 PM UTC

adtac wrote: post #38

Curious: has anyone integrated Github login? What percentage of your users use Github?

I'm also curious about it. I think it makes great sense for services that target developers as their main audience, but I don't see it used a lot in the wild.

Re: Ask HN: What percentage of your users are using social login?

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Post by alangpierce » Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 6:56 PM UTC

dstroot wrote: post #50

alangpierce wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Websites using Facebook login usually don't ask for any of your Facebook information, just your email address. They also implicitly have the public information on your profile since they have your Facebook ID, and I suppose it does reveal information to say that this user and email address is associated with this public Facebook profile. But they definitely don't get anything close to the read permissions you have on…

>Websites using Facebook login usually don't ask for any of your Facebook information, just your email address. This is absolutely false. FB delivers a whole profile.

Presumably you're just referring to the public profile? Public profiles can already be accessed for any user without their agreement (at least manually), so it's not extra information provided through FB login. See my second sentence for that caveat.

Re: Ask HN: What percentage of your users are using social login?

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Post by beagle3 » Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 7:11 PM UTC

wkrause wrote: post #58

tootie wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you say email, you mean email as username plus a password? Or you mean like TOTP via email?

Good point, I mean user name and password, with an initial verification email. If you use the email option, you can't get into the app without first clicking a verification link in an email. That caused a few headaches after launch when my transactional mail service didn't have a great delivery rate. Still the right thing to do from a security perspective. I do have a big "preview" option on the login page for anyone…

What are you using to get a good delivery on transactional main?

Re: Ask HN: What percentage of your users are using social login?

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Post by jfaucett » Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 7:17 PM UTC

All my side projects and any projects I control use exclusively social login. Here's why.

1. Its way easier on me. I don't have to worry about password resets or users hacking an account in the site. OAuth and be done.

2. I don't have to deal with any outgoing or incoming emails and complaints dealing with login.

3. I don't have to worry about scammers, since google/facebook pretty much require phone, a non fake email, 2 Factor auth, etc to sign up. So I can put all that overhead onto google and get the added benefit that most of the users signing up are legit.

4. Legit users. I can't say enough how much having legit users helps the overall quality of almost any platform. Allowing people with a fake-email to sign up and create accounts allows for all kinds of headaches that are largely avoided by using exclusively social sign in.

5. Simplicity. One Click login, where the user immediately sees what information I want to collect and can say yes/no. Login/Sign-Up is done in literally one click.

Re: Ask HN: What percentage of your users are using social login?

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Post by fairpx » Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 7:23 PM UTC

I used to think social login were a must. But email login still seems to be very popular. Many users told me they wouldnt sign up unless there was an email option

Re: Ask HN: What percentage of your users are using social login?

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Post by stordoff » Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 7:23 PM UTC

arsalanb wrote: post #17

wepple wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“If the earliest users you have don't like you enough to give you their social login details ” Perhaps I’m an anomaly, but if there is no regular email sign-up, I’m not using your product, period. There’s enough information floating around about me in databases all over the world, I don’t need them to be further connected and linked. To see the situation with FB/CA and then demand your users use their login is insult…

I built the log-in before the FB/CA situation and am yet to understand how it may change things. However, I personally think people will move on from this like nothing ever happened (which is sad)

If you think it's sad, wouldn't you better off trying to change things? It's becomes more tempting to just move on if you have more services reliant on/tied to those accounts.

Re: Ask HN: What percentage of your users are using social login?

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Post by pvg » Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 7:25 PM UTC

scrollaway wrote: post #27

100% (Blizzard login). My site is based on a Blizzard game, so it doesn't really make sense to have an account unless it's linked to a blizzard account. But what that means is that if your upstream login provider is down or having issues, your users can't log into your site, so don't do this unless it really makes sense for you. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/282271461853626368/42... OTOH, we don't really hav…

Have you written much about your site/service elsewhere?

Re: Ask HN: What percentage of your users are using social login?

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Post by dethos » Sat, Mar 24, 2018, 7:26 PM UTC

One of the side projects I currently manage has a social login implementation and ~40% of the users use it, the remaining use the standard email flow.