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Krita 4.0 – A painting app for cartoonists, illustrators, and concept artists

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Re: Krita 4.0 – A painting app for cartoonists, illustrators, and concept artists

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Post by ehvatum »

amyjess wrote: post #182
nnq wrote: post #32

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Gimp and Inkscape are both extremely sub-par apps... Paint.NET beats Gimp in usability, Photoshop in both features and stability. Last time I tried to use Gimp for anything mildly complex (heavy usage of cage distort on a high res pic with quite a few layers) it crashed every 10min (though I was told it was the fault of the Ubuntu packaged, it's not acceptable to make a clusterfuck of the versions targetting the most…

> a good vector graphics app You'd honestly be surprised by what Aegisub can do. I recently got into fansubbing, mostly as a typesetter, and I'm honestly floored by some of the things I've been able to pull off. I can add text to scenes and make it look like it's part of the video... my favorite effects are the really subtle ones, and it always feels fulfilling whenever I pull something off. Rotation along the X, Y,…

Sword Art Online Abridged and Aegisub are evidence that top-flight engineering university anime clubs are collections of the most creative, intelligent, resourceful people to be found anywhere in this universe. Except possibly model railway.

Re: Krita 4.0 – A painting app for cartoonists, illustrators, and concept artists

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Post by T-N-T »

Unai wrote: post #148
prokoudine wrote: post #101

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> Gimp is like Linux's MS paint on steroids Oh yeah, if steroids bring layers, masks, paths, a shitload of selection, transformation, and cropping tools, a whole lot of filters and loaders for all sorts of image file formats, complete color management support, 32-bit per channel processing and suchlike, then you might be correct :)

>complete color management support GIMP still only half-supports CMYK in 2018, though. But as someone who uses it professionally, I agree that GIMP is a Linux's Photoshop, not a Linux's MS Paint. I'm guessing that the user you replied to has only used it as such and hasn't dive into all the tools and features it offers. With all the bugs and half-broken tools it has, I still think it is a great piece of software, and…

> I agree that GIMP is a Linux's Photoshop, not a Linux's MS Paint

Photoshop had massive, productivity boosting features like Adjustment Layers, since the 4th release, in 1996!! simple non destructive effects were added to the list with 5.0 in 1998. That's 20 years ago. In 20 years, almost every single serious tool for image manipulation has understood that non destructive editing is at the core of productivity. Krita has it. Photoshop almost always had it. Lightroom has it. Affinity Photos has it. Pixelmator has it. The venerable shareware Paintshop Pro, one of the first popular Photoshop clone, grew that feature. Picasa, a free (as in beer, not as in freedom) photo library management and quick photo editing tool that was immensely popular on Windows before Google dropped it, had fast non destructive image editing.

Editing anything in GIMP feels like a painful process that allows no mistake and every single process, even just drawing a damn circle (one that doesn't have heavy artifacts by the way), takes more clicks or keyboard shortcut presses than it ever should. I know it's free software developed on some hobby developer's free time but that does not make it immune from criticism. Just because something is free doesn't make it good or worth considering. As a tool for producing content, the GIMP really is more linux's MS paint than photoshop. That's because Photoshop stopped being an overgrown paint-with-layers program since the 1996 release. I still remember how it felt to use the 5.0 release of Photoshop as if it was yesterday's. If I had no choice but to use 20 years old Photoshop vs 2018 GIMP, I'd pick the 20 years old software.

Re: Krita 4.0 – A painting app for cartoonists, illustrators, and concept artists

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Post by T-N-T »

hjek wrote: post #183
s73v3r_ wrote: post #175

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"Can "most people" afford paying $600 yearly fee to edit images?" Considering Adobe's Creative Cloud is pretty popular, it seems that yeah, they can. But that's irrelevant to whether a piece of software is FLOSS or not. "although they may not know that these problems are caused by Adobe apps being non-free" How dare those bastards ask to be paid for their work! "I just don't think that suggesting proprietary alternat…

> How dare those bastards ask to be paid for their work! Totally fine with people charging for their work. Fact is, however, that for half the population of the world, Adobe CS's pricing $50/month is at least 2/3 of their total earnings[1]. By that definition, it's just wrong to say that for "most people" it's an valid alternative to Krita or Gimp. [1] https://www.dosomething.org/us/facts/11-facts-about-global-p...

Photoshop + Lightroom cost 12 euros. The CS price you mention is for all the apps in the creative cloud, not just the raster image editing bit, so that's unfair to compare $50/month to "alternative to krita or gimp". 12 euros per month is just 2 euros more than many of us here pay for lots of entertainment, such as music streaming services. It's well worth every penny spent just to not have to deal with the horror that's GIMP's UI. It's a lot cheaper to get access to Photoshop than it used to be before the monthly licensing scheme.

Re: Krita 4.0 – A painting app for cartoonists, illustrators, and concept artists

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Post by odessacubbage »

JoeDaDude wrote: post #83
headsoup wrote: post #21

I'm very much an amateur but Krita is a great piece of software for me and does everything I need so far, for free. Much easier to use than GIMP, seems quite comparable to Photoshop and the development is going strong. It's also neat that they now include by default a lot of the deevad brushes as it's a broad selection. Keep up the good work Krita team.

I like good tools as much as anybody, but I am always impressed with what a little talent and practice can do with existing tools. This story was in the news lately, about a woman that uses nothing but MS Paint: https://mymodernmet.com/grandma-ms-paint-art/

digital painting is fundamentally very simple; if you put the right shapes of color in the right places, you can create a visual representation of anything. robh rupple's process is a good visual representation of this idea imo >http://graphicla.tumblr.com/post/68284245282/ive-been-rethin... the underlying knowledge as to what makes pleasing shapes and the interactions between colors is the source of complexity. many brilliant pieces are created with oekaki programs far more limited and simplistic than ms paint, pixiv and 2ch are full of artists that are a testament to this. anything that can make shapes and colors of some description is capable of producing great art, good software simply reduces the number of necessary headaches required to do so.

Re: Krita 4.0 – A painting app for cartoonists, illustrators, and concept artists

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Post by glenneroo »

T-N-T wrote: post #193
hjek wrote: post #183

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> How dare those bastards ask to be paid for their work! Totally fine with people charging for their work. Fact is, however, that for half the population of the world, Adobe CS's pricing $50/month is at least 2/3 of their total earnings[1]. By that definition, it's just wrong to say that for "most people" it's an valid alternative to Krita or Gimp. [1] https://www.dosomething.org/us/facts/11-facts-about-global-p...

Photoshop + Lightroom cost 12 euros. The CS price you mention is for all the apps in the creative cloud, not just the raster image editing bit, so that's unfair to compare $50/month to "alternative to krita or gimp". 12 euros per month is just 2 euros more than many of us here pay for lots of entertainment, such as music streaming services. It's well worth every penny spent just to not have to deal with the horror th…

On top of that, the keys for all Adobe CS2 products have been openly released since they took their activation servers online. I would argue that most people don't need most or many of the new features added since CS2.

Re: Krita 4.0 – A painting app for cartoonists, illustrators, and concept artists

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Post by UnhelpfulYoda »

Sevrene wrote: post #39

I really want to love Krita, and I sort of do. The only thing preventing me from doing so is the absurd amount of crashes on my macOS machine. Is this just a Mac problem? Has this been addressed in this update? Am I doing something wrong?

Lawd Jesus! Thank you for posting on this topic... all I have to add is ditto brother. I'm just here to support and defend you from what will no doubt be a wave of "you are stupid not krita" knee jerk reactions.

You ARE NOT the stupid one. The Krita UI/UX is stupid.

Even the simplest of tasks becomes a complete hassle. I want to love Krita too, BELIEVE ME I WANT TO GET RID OF ADOBE, but not at the cost of adding hours to my workflow.

Example: Today I wanted to delete some text on an image and add new text. This stupidity cost me an hour before I caught myself....

"NO! Just STOP, you do not have time for this shit!"

...I held my nose, opened adobe and got it done in 5 minutes.

M'kay?! Enough Said, I have no time for the fools who will no doubt defend this madness.

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