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Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by cft »

creep wrote: post #555
manofmanysmiles wrote: post #394

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been thinking about this peripherally for a while, especially the bigger picture when some law is passed, and it seems exceptionally out of touch with the reality, and does more harm than good. A depressing thought: What if we apply something akin to Occam's Razor? What if the lawmakers want to hurt the people struggling at at the lower rungs of society? To me it feels unlikely it is intentional in most cases, o…

I think the upperclass mostly "controls" lawmaking decisions for their own interest, and are almost entirely unaware of the condition/state of mind/customs of the lower classes. They don't understand how it works, and because they don't understand they feel superior, so they make decisions on behalf of the lower classes with the intent of nobly showing the masses the way while serving their own interests. There's als…

My friend (middle class) dated a daughter of Staples founder. This was his takeaway too: while her father sort of understood ordinary people, the daughter already did not.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by abritinthebay »

confounded wrote: post #106
abritinthebay wrote: post #83

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Every single decentralized version of those sites has died a death due to a) being pretty awful b) attracting completely terrible users as it’s base c) terrible user experience. What do you see changing?

Ordinary people wanting an alternative, would, I imagine, change all three.

They will want an alternative but there’s no compelling (to the average user) reason why it has to be a decentralized alternative.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by abritinthebay »

castis wrote: post #268
abritinthebay wrote: post #152

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Who gives a shit about Reddit? I’m talking in context of the law that is mentioned in the original article

The person you replied to had mentioned reddit in their comment so it was kind of a natural progression. They're saying that the scenario where reddit removed some subreddits for wholly subjective reasons is similar to this craigslist thing.

Which it isn’t. At all. One is mandated by law and the other is self imposed community standards.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by abritinthebay »

AFNobody wrote: post #96
abritinthebay wrote: post #76

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There is something to be said for making a discouraged activity harder to do. Yes, it pushes these people underground but in a sense that is good as it makes it harder for them and harder to access them. In return it’s not much harder for authorities to infiltrate and there’s less non-illicit activity to filter. Not perfect, but it’s not always bad.

It increases the sexual abuse of marginalized women statistically. Legal brothels have much lower rates of abuse.

Given the law was in response to abuse of marginalized women sexually in these services (well written or not) that’s not a very good argument in this case.

Both are underground: this is about removing east of access to the service not legal vs illegal services

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Post by nickysielicki »

midgetjones wrote: post #229
delbel wrote: post #130

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I screwed up and accidentally chambered two 12ga shells in my Remington 870, it was a potential dangerous accident but found video to help me safely un-f the situation. Also I found a "bug" that allowed me to shoot, under a strange condition, my 9mm when the safety was on. Found out what not to do on youtube to avoid that situation. Also couldn't figure out what this knob was on my 10/22, turns out its a critical fea…

These problems can also be avoided by not owning guns.

Have you ever encountered a wild bear?

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by nicky0 »

rmrm wrote: post #453
meri_dian wrote: post #442

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I think the issue people have with "booth babes" is that it presupposes men will be the ones perusing the booths, or the ones whose attention is worth grabbing. There's nothing wrong with valuing someone for their good looks, but in a field like tech where we are trying to encourage women to participate more, using BB's at tech events is a reflection of the event organizers choosing to cater only to men, since it's m…

Cheerleaders would be another example. Is it sexual objectification to have scantily clad attractive women on the sidelines? Most probably. Is having not attractive scantily clad women on the sidelines the answer? No, probably not. Is getting rid of cheerleaders the answer? Maybe. Do a lot of girls and women like to be cheerleaders? Apparently. It seems like the fundamental issue is that men like to see scantily clad…

Except that cheerleading it a highly skilled role that takes a lot of hard work and training, they are not just standing around looking nice. And there are male cheerleaders.

Booth babes, maybe this is highly skilled too. I don't know. But I don't think they compare.

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Post by kakarot »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #436
rmrm wrote: post #428

I find a somewhat irresolvable issue on the liberal viewpoint of female sexuality and using sex to sell things (or selling sex directly) I see a lot of push back and negativity towards things like "booth babes" and other models that are employed to use their sexuality to help sell something. And I dont really argue with that, from a consumer angle. But I do also hear and feel for those models, who likely rightly say,…

In this case the typical liberal and the radical liberal are split, much as with trans identity. To sum it up with too broad of a brush, liberal (mainstream) feminists think sex work is positive, and that only coercion to sex should be criminalized. Radical feminists see sex “work” as an extreme outlier amongst sex trafficking which by their measure constitutes the vast majority of the sex trade. They would consider…

Ok sure, now what about the people that weren't raped and just got into prostitution the same way a stripper decides that life is for them? Are they still victims?

A radical feminist (in my experience) will still say yes, effectively robbing these women of their own personal agency and shaming their choices.

That is an important distinction, and your comparison is watered down by ignoring it.

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Post by kakarot »

huragok wrote: post #435
rmrm wrote: post #428

I find a somewhat irresolvable issue on the liberal viewpoint of female sexuality and using sex to sell things (or selling sex directly) I see a lot of push back and negativity towards things like "booth babes" and other models that are employed to use their sexuality to help sell something. And I dont really argue with that, from a consumer angle. But I do also hear and feel for those models, who likely rightly say,…

The question you have to ask is whether or not a "booth babe" would choose such work over others if they had a choice and not merely because it pays the bills.

Would you choose the job you currently have if you had another choice and not merely because it pays the bills?

The arguments against capitalism and against sex workers are two completely orthogonal things. Sex work is a consequence of capitalism + enforced class systems perpetuated by leadership.

Fix those things instead of claiming women who have complete personal agency in what they do with their bodies are still being exploited. Of course they are. All of us are being exploited.

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Post by archi42 »

mc32 wrote: post #32
aaronrenoir wrote: post #9

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I think we can all agree ycombinator is facilitating prostitution

I think you would need to spell out your [handler's] phone number's numbers for it to be "legit" solicitation.

We exchanged contact details (deleted the comments) and had a really great time. 5*, 10/10, would recommend to friends.
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