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Re: Ask HN: Does HN respect the GDPR?

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emodendroket wrote: post #90
jakeogh wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_I... Then move on to what juries are, and what peers are. In the US we have 3 boxes, the ballot box, the jury box, and the ammo box. It's a beautiful system. I realize it might be hard to understand that we are not chattel, and make our own laws, but that's the way it is. You are making an extraordinary claim, that a US citizen can be extradited f…

OK, well, if your exegesis of the Constitution begins with citing the Declaration of Independence and includes rants about armed insurrection, I think it's safe to say it's not that well thought out.

Armed insurrection is exactly why the US exists and is not subject to foreign law. Labeling discussion of that a rant does not distract from your failure to back up an unprecedented claim. /rant

Re: Ask HN: Does HN respect the GDPR?

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Post by jakeogh »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #43

Maybe the easiest thing to do is for websites to place a banner that if you are a EU citizen, you are not welcome or allowed to view the website and are violating the terms of service.

Forced labor? Forced speech? Demanding others time without compensation? What is Europe becoming?

Re: Ask HN: Does HN respect the GDPR?

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Post by [deleted] »

jakeogh wrote: post #91
emodendroket wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, well, if your exegesis of the Constitution begins with citing the Declaration of Independence and includes rants about armed insurrection, I think it's safe to say it's not that well thought out.

Armed insurrection is exactly why the US exists and is not subject to foreign law. Labeling discussion of that a rant does not distract from your failure to back up an unprecedented claim. /rant

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Re: Ask HN: Does HN respect the GDPR?

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Post by emodendroket »

jakeogh wrote: post #91
emodendroket wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, well, if your exegesis of the Constitution begins with citing the Declaration of Independence and includes rants about armed insurrection, I think it's safe to say it's not that well thought out.

Armed insurrection is exactly why the US exists and is not subject to foreign law. Labeling discussion of that a rant does not distract from your failure to back up an unprecedented claim. /rant

There's nothing really "unprecedented" about it -- the whole premise of extradition is handing someone over for violating foreign laws, not violating US laws.

Re: Ask HN: Does HN respect the GDPR?

#95

Post by jakeogh »

emodendroket wrote: post #94
jakeogh wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Armed insurrection is exactly why the US exists and is not subject to foreign law. Labeling discussion of that a rant does not distract from your failure to back up an unprecedented claim. /rant

There's nothing really "unprecedented" about it -- the whole premise of extradition is handing someone over for violating foreign laws, not violating US laws.

You seem to be attempting to change the subject.

  I said: "Extradition for? Doing something that is legal in my country while in my country?"

  You said: "Yes, that is possible."
Please provide some precedent for your assertion.

To extradite someone, you must first arrest them. In the United States, to arrest someone, you must have probable cause that that person violated a US law[0].

In every case you are going to be able to find, the person wanted by the dest country was either:

a. In that country when they broke the law (which is a different subject with plenty of caveats).

b. Violated US law and the foreign law while in the US (also a different subject).

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_Amendment_to_the_United_...

Re: Ask HN: Does HN respect the GDPR?

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Post by madez »

madez wrote: post #80
sebazzz wrote: post #25

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Yes, but you need to explicitly target the EU. What that exactly means will be determined will eventually be determined in court, but some examples: - If you offer your products in Euros, which is the currency in most of the EU - If you offer payment methods which only exist in the EU or one of its members - Otherwise suggest you target EU citizens Hacker News exists as a generic website on the internet, but it does…

That is incorrect. You don't need to specifically target the EU. If you handle data from European citizens, the GDPR applies to you.

I'm baffled. Why the downvotes? See for applicability: https://gdpr-info.eu/art-3-gdpr/

Also, in the case of HN, YC offers a service. Just like a forum is a service, this discussion and news platform is a service. It's irrelevant if it's paid for or free.

Re: Ask HN: Does HN respect the GDPR?

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Post by bostik »

M2Ys4U wrote: post #38
cedsav wrote: post #19

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I haven't researched that particular point, but I'm not sure that your HN comments qualify as "personal data" under the GDPR (they'd need to personally identify you).

"Personal data" is defined quite broadly in the GDPR: Article 4 states ‘personal data’ means any information relating to an identified or identifiable natural person (‘data subject’); an identifiable natural person is one who can be identified, directly or indirectly, in particular by reference to an identifier such as a name, an identification number, location data, an online identifier or to one or more factors spe…

I just read a pretty interesting white paper (written by a compliance law firm) about data anonymisation and pseudonymisation with regards to GDPR. It provided a really neat ballpark of data that constitutes "user information" on two separate levels.

Direct identifiers include such material as: name, address, phone number, all kinds of national identifiers, biometrics, device identifiers and clinical trial record numbers.

Indirect (or "quasi-direct", a new word for me) include: gender, date of birth, postal codes or other geographic grouping identifiers, first language at home, marital status, ethnicity, ....

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If you look at the two groups, there's a pretty clear distinction. Anything that would allow to send a highly personalised communication to a person is direct. Anything that allows to target marketing cohorts is indirect.

The indirect ones may not sound important on the surface, but once you start doing group intersections, their combinations can become extremely narrow pointers.

Re: Ask HN: Does HN respect the GDPR?

#98

Post by emodendroket »

jakeogh wrote: post #95
emodendroket wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing really "unprecedented" about it -- the whole premise of extradition is handing someone over for violating foreign laws, not violating US laws.

You seem to be attempting to change the subject. I said: "Extradition for? Doing something that is legal in my country while in my country?" You said: "Yes, that is possible." Please provide some precedent for your assertion. To extradite someone, you must first arrest them. In the United States, to arrest someone, you must have probable cause that that person violated a US law[0]. In every case you are going to be a…

The ongoing talks about extraditing Fethullah Gulen to Turkey for his supposed role in the Turkish coup while he was in Pennsylvania seems like a counter-example to me. There is a lot of political back-and-forth over whether that should be done, but I don't see anyone claiming it would violate the Sixth Amendment to extradite him.

Re: Ask HN: Does HN respect the GDPR?

#99

Post by jakeogh »

emodendroket wrote: post #98
jakeogh wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to be attempting to change the subject. I said: "Extradition for? Doing something that is legal in my country while in my country?" You said: "Yes, that is possible." Please provide some precedent for your assertion. To extradite someone, you must first arrest them. In the United States, to arrest someone, you must have probable cause that that person violated a US law[0]. In every case you are going to be a…

The ongoing talks about extraditing Fethullah Gulen to Turkey for his supposed role in the Turkish coup while he was in Pennsylvania seems like a counter-example to me. There is a lot of political back-and-forth over whether that should be done, but I don't see anyone claiming it would violate the Sixth Amendment to extradite him.

First, that has not happened. Second, would it really be so hard to support your claims with sources? If the guy gets extradited, he's going to first get charged with a US crime.

Re: Ask HN: Does HN respect the GDPR?

#100

Post by emodendroket »

jakeogh wrote: post #99
emodendroket wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ongoing talks about extraditing Fethullah Gulen to Turkey for his supposed role in the Turkish coup while he was in Pennsylvania seems like a counter-example to me. There is a lot of political back-and-forth over whether that should be done, but I don't see anyone claiming it would violate the Sixth Amendment to extradite him.

First, that has not happened. Second, would it really be so hard to support your claims with sources? If the guy gets extradited, he's going to first get charged with a US crime.

That's not how extradition actually works. If you want to read about Gulen you can type "Gulen" into a search engine as easily as I can.
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