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Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

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Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

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Usually when an issue like this gets up to the CEO, there really isn't any other choice but to fire whoever is responsible. I don't necessarily agree with it, but the reality is: China >> Mariott.

Sure. The CEO should fire himself, since he is the responsible party for this irreparable harm to CHina.

Or fire whoever stamped the paperwork for Mariott to become a corporation!

Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

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If you were in China would you really find it insulting that Tibet is considered by some to be its own country? It was invaded, and I can’t really see any other way to characterise what happened.

That depends if you think some Americans would be offended if you claimed Hawaii was its own country. It was also invaded and then forcibly gentrified and colonized. That's not to even mention the entirety of the United States. It's not so much if China has legitimate claims on Tibet so much as it's the pot calling the kettle black. The greatest conquerer on Earth and its modern beneficiaries telling another country…

"That depends if you think some Americans would be offended if you claimed Hawaii was its own country."

Do you have an actual example of someone being fired for claiming that Hawai'i was its own country?

Edit: apparently you don't. Your analogy does not hold water.

Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

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Well, I certainly won't be staying at any Marriott hotels any more. That's an abysmal way of handling things.

I think these personal boycotts are important and I also participate in them (Nestle, Facebook, etc). But it's unfortunate know that we will likely never be able to match the scale of a boycott from China. edit: However if China keeps doing stunts like this then companies might be able to make the decision not to do business there.

Were we a squeakier, more collective wheel it might be different. I had a similar thought a few months back actually: https://github.com/cretz/software-ideas/issues/66. But I can't be bothered to go run around on Twitter, Yelp, business-shame-site du jour all the time. It's why companies with self-imposed principles instead of purchased ones fare better in the long run, and it can't be quantified.

Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That depends if you think some Americans would be offended if you claimed Hawaii was its own country. It was also invaded and then forcibly gentrified and colonized. That's not to even mention the entirety of the United States. It's not so much if China has legitimate claims on Tibet so much as it's the pot calling the kettle black. The greatest conquerer on Earth and its modern beneficiaries telling another country…

> The greatest conquerer on Earth and its modern beneficiaries What'd England and the commonwealth do now?

Maybe he's talking about Mongolia. :-)

Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

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Lets be real about America's relationship with China. They are our enemies. Both parties seek to dominate the globe even if nobody is anxious to do so bullets and bombs. Both parties have values that can never be reconciled.

How do you reconcile the notion that man ought to be free with a society that believes in lifelong servitude and a mans proper place under each others boots. A society that poisons its people and executes the parties responsible only when it becomes a public embarrassment. That dissembles undesirable portions of its populace for spare body parts for more affluent and desirable portions of its populace. That rolls over its people with tanks when they dare to disagree. Americans may be at many times poor examples of the values we hold dear but our society is at worst working towards living our ideals.

China is nothing but a more tractable, predictable, and sane North Korea and nothing in our lifetimes or our childrens lifetimes is going to change that.

A company that holds itself to be an American company shouldn't bow its neck to terrible people or ask Americans to do so.

I am aware that they are a multinational and may not wish to be seen as American which is just fine by me. I just don't wish our government employees or leadership to patronize them and strongly suggest that those who feel strongly about America also abstain from giving anyone affiliated with Marriott their money.

Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

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If you were in China would you really find it insulting that Tibet is considered by some to be its own country? It was invaded, and I can’t really see any other way to characterise what happened.

As an American, I wouldn’t be offended if a Chinese person suggested that all non Native Americans should leave America. I wouldn’t think that would be reasonable, although I would acknowledge that we could do much more to help rectify the situation that still exists today. I would likewise be not offended (but might feel slightly uncomfortable) if someone told me that California, my home state, should be returned to…

"But do you really think it is so unrealistic that many Americans would be offended by such a statement? "

You can't control whether someone is offended.

You can control whether you fire someone because someone else is offended.

Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you were in China would you really find it insulting that Tibet is considered by some to be its own country? It was invaded, and I can’t really see any other way to characterise what happened.

That depends if you think some Americans would be offended if you claimed Hawaii was its own country. It was also invaded and then forcibly gentrified and colonized. That's not to even mention the entirety of the United States. It's not so much if China has legitimate claims on Tibet so much as it's the pot calling the kettle black. The greatest conquerer on Earth and its modern beneficiaries telling another country…

The government of the United States does not demand that mainland China relinquish control of Tibet. Nor does the USA insist on censoring mainland controversies or on punishing foreigners who say inconvenient things. This difference is essential.

You are free to criticize America. People, including politicians, regularly do so. China, despite claiming to be a strong, ascendant power, is remarkably sensitive when it comes to such fictions as there being one China or the historicity of their nine-dash line.

Also, though the USA certainly was a conquerer -- few powers on this violent planet were forged in peace -- it's also the foremost defender of the modern rules-based order. There are Hawaii and the Mexican-American war in its past, but there are also Japan and Micronesia closer to today.

Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

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> We can't let backwards dictatorships have any say in how a democracy is ran. Which democracy are we talking about? China? The US?

Cute, but for anyone who thinks China and the US are similar, please research the persecution of Falun Gong. Here's some heavily sarcastic coverage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_cURws4UaY

I didn't say they were the same, or even equivalent.

Re: Omaha man ‘liked’ a tweet, then lost his job

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The meat of the story is that Omaha man worked for Marriott hotels on customer support. Their support system allows their agents to like tweets. The man appears to have inadvertently clicked like on a tweet while dealing with a large influx of support messages (due to a promo going on) thanking Marriott for listing Tibet as its own country which was a huge no-no due to Mariott's presence in China. Execs fire him as a…

It sounds like Marriott wanted to be in a position to say someone had been fired, and he was offered up. Either way, pretty shitty on Marriott's part.

It should have been the guy that allowed all low level employees access to the official Marriott twitter account.
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