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Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by humanrebar »

midgetjones wrote: post #384
humanrebar wrote: post #291

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And you can avoid gross plumbing problems by not owning a plunger. You can have professionals with plungers deal with that. Frankly, it's a privilege to able to rely on public and paid services to protect you and your property. Not everyone gets the same service levels and not everyone can afford to pay to fix the problem.

And do those professionals need access to YouTube tutorials to see how to use the plunger?

You're missing my point. I'm arguing that self-defense is like a plunger... something you don't want to be without when you need it. And, like plumbing problems, it's a privilege to say "well, just have a professional deal with your violence problems".

But, yes, there are a few extra steps to unclog a bathtub with a plunger. YouTube videos are pretty handy there.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by the_stc »

smadge wrote: post #207

Tonight tens of thousands sex workers are devestated that their safer tool for finding clients is shutting down. Exploitative sex trafficking will continue unabated, but independent working people will be forced into more dangerous situations.

We cannot launch our project too soon [details in profile]. We will do what we can to prevent trafficking: asking for ID and verifying they have an escorting presence is a good start. Analytics to look at payment flow and see if one entity is controlling multiple escorts is another.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by reaperducer »

valuearb wrote: post #75
rpearl wrote: post #72

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The goal of the legislation in question is specifically to help individuals that have been coerced, against their free will, into sex trafficking. It is not about voluntary interactions between consenting adults. The legislation might be misguided or ineffective--I haven't really looked into it--but it very definitely isn't about restricting the free choice of individuals.

It’s completely limiting free choice and voluntary interactions between consenting adults. A huge personals section just got shut down. Unless you think 100% of personal ads are coerced sex trafficking, which would be rather crazy opinion. If you truly wanted to curb sex trafficking, you’d legalize prostitution, not drive it farther underground.

>If you truly wanted to curb sex trafficking, you’d legalize prostitution

Yes, because legalized prostitution has totally curbed sex trafficking in places where it is legal like Nevada and Germany.

Oh, except that it hasn't. Not even remotely.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by DoreenMichele »

edraferi wrote: post #368
anigbrowl wrote: post #131

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Great, like the trade is going to suddenly end. All they've achieved is 'out of sight, out of mind.' I'm quite annoyed about this, both because it affects numerous friends of mine who are sex workers and are now scrambling to find alternatives to working on the street, where they're far less safe, and on a more pedestrian level because I met my wife on a Craigslist date years ago. Life is too short to make excuses fo…

I've been thinking about this a lot this morning. I think almost every vice would be less damaging to society if it was in the open. Polite society doesn't want to see sex work or drugs, but they still exist. Hiding them makes things much worse for the people directly involved. It's trafficked kids with broken immigration status who are more scared of the cops than their captors. It's drug addicts who OD on tainted d…

Bring it all into the open. Have the government certify providers directly. Crack down on unauthorized middlemen. Tax it.

I don't agree. Decriminalization is a better approach than legalization and regulation. If it is decriminalized, then victims don't have to live in fear of the police. Legalization and regulation often makes things worse, not better.

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Post by bootlooped »

odammit wrote: post #156
delbel wrote: post #130

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I screwed up and accidentally chambered two 12ga shells in my Remington 870, it was a potential dangerous accident but found video to help me safely un-f the situation. Also I found a "bug" that allowed me to shoot, under a strange condition, my 9mm when the safety was on. Found out what not to do on youtube to avoid that situation. Also couldn't figure out what this knob was on my 10/22, turns out its a critical fea…

Go start GunTube and make a buck or two! I was reading earlier today people are uploading their gun vids to PornHub. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-21/youtube-b...

It already exists: it's called Full 30. I am guessing not a lot of people use it because it's not YouTube.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by tomc1985 »

meri_dian wrote: post #509
malnourish wrote: post #500

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Are theft and murder so obvious? Obviously murder is among the greatest tragedies, but often it's a product of circumstance. Theft especially so

Really? A product of circumstance? How so?

Little Bobbie Brown observes a 'rat' try out his brand new cement shoes. One of the boss' hired help sees Bobbie in the bushes, and, in accordance with the boss' desire for no witnesses, moves to kill Bobbie

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by lightedman »

fokov wrote: post #479
safety1st wrote: post #210

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The "scorched earth" approach only gets support when the nature and scope of the issues are distorted. What are the real issues in play? One is prostitution, a form of sex work which is illegal in most of the United States. The American public have varying feelings about its legal status, how enforcement should be carried out, etc. Public opinion doesn't support measures which endanger sex workers (which FOSTA does),…

> Public opinion is rightly massively against slavery in any form. Slavery is still legal in the USA according to the 13th Amendment.

Yup, to quote:

"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by FireBeyond »

syshum wrote: post #361
Noos wrote: post #322

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Its their fault they forced craigslist to shut down a section openly advertising illegal content? I love the contortions people make. It's not like sex work is even legal in the majority of western nations

>>It's not like sex work is even legal in the majority of western nations It should be legal that is the point >Its their fault they forced craigslist to shut down a section openly advertising illegal content? yes, that was the entire point of Section 230 of the communications act, to prevent platform from being liable for users content, even if the users were doing things that were illegal Further it is a violation,…

> yes, that was the entire point of Section 230 of the communications act, to prevent platform from being liable for users content, even if the users were doing things that were illegal

There was the assumption in this is that illegal content was removed.

There's also a difference in CL actively putting a section in that says "Illegal Services advertised here".

For clarity, there's no concern with legalizing these services, as far as I am concerned.

You think it's a violation of your First Amendment rights to be unable to openly advertise criminal activities? Where does that line end?

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by FireBeyond »

huehehue wrote: post #474
k_sh wrote: post #452

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FOSTA passed the Senate 97-2... I don't think that's a fair assessment in this instance

On that note, I wonder how many people might disagree with the bill's heavy-handedness but don't want to be seen as "opponents" to something like FOSTA.

In several states adultery is still illegal, though I believe a misdemeanor in most, in some (Idaho, for one), it's a felony.

Regardless of how few people have been sanctioned criminally recently (and fun fact, in some of those states adultery is a crime only a woman can commit...), very very few politicians want to be the one to formally repeal laws against "the sanctity of marriage", however antique they may be.

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