Wow, some tech investors are taking it on the chin this week. Uber has to pay its customers now; this self-driving Hail Mary was the only thing supporting its value. [EDIT:] am I wrong about that? Tell me more!
Uber’s Self-Driving Cars Were Struggling Before Arizona Crash
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#32> Waymo, formerly the self-driving car project of Google, said that in tests on roads in California last year, its cars went an average of nearly 5,600 miles before the driver had to take control from the computer to steer out of trouble. As of March, Uber was struggling to meet its target of 13 miles per “intervention” in Arizona There can certainly be arguments about whether the kind of miles driven are equivalent…
Uber's competitive advantage has always been its willingness to engage in unethical behavior. No surprise here.
They were forced out if California because their system didn't work so they just put it on roads in Arizona instead and killed someone.
Edit: grammar
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#33Uber's valuation seems to hinge on them not only getting AV, but the combination of getting AVs, beating competitors to it, and having the capital on hand to build out a large fleet of AVs all without losing too many riders to other services like lyft.
However fast they were progressing towards real AVs they'll be progressing slower now. And even then it looks like they are behind their competitors.
If I could short Uber I would.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know what country you live in but, in Arizona it is different: http://www.ncsl.org/research/transportation/pedestrian-cross... The pedestrian had the right-away in this particular situation. EDIT :: Looks like I read that first sentence wrong (my apologies)... "Vehicles must yield the right-of-way to pedestrians within a crosswalk that are in the same half of the roadway as the vehicle or when a pedestrian is…
The link you shared disagrees with you - it says that in Arizona vehicles always have the right-of-way outside of crosswalks: "Pedestrians must yield the right-of-way to vehicles when crossing outside of a marked crosswalk or an unmarked crosswalk at an intersection. Where traffic control devices are in operation, pedestrians may only cross between two adjacent intersections in a marked crosswalk."
Looks like I read that first sentence wrong...
"Vehicles must yield the right-of-way to pedestrians within a crosswalk that are in the same half of the roadway as the vehicle or when a pedestrian is approaching closely enough from the opposite side of the roadway to constitute a danger"
Growing up in AZ I was always told that pedestrians ALWAYS have the right away - something I always thought was strange.
I do stand correct however.
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#35The story focuses on the safety drivers not being particularly safe. Uber apparently has internal cameras and they have to have reasonable CV to attempt the main task. Why not also try and get some sort of measure of if the safety driver is actually going to save the situation if it starts going south?
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#36I thought the conventional wisdom was that the only way Uber can become profitable was through autonomous vehicles. It sounds like they're very unlikely to succeed at that... Arizona should consider improving their regulations to try to avoid additional fatalities.
Uber is cheaper than cabs ... Is there a reason why Uber needs to be cheaper than cabs?
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#37Is it harder to stay attentive in an autonomous car than it is as a normal driver?
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#38> Waymo, formerly the self-driving car project of Google, said that in tests on roads in California last year, its cars went an average of nearly 5,600 miles before the driver had to take control from the computer to steer out of trouble. As of March, Uber was struggling to meet its target of 13 miles per “intervention” in Arizona There can certainly be arguments about whether the kind of miles driven are equivalent…
If they are struggling to meet 13 miles per "intervention", how was the "safety driver" not paying full attention on the road at night? That's baffling.
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#39> Waymo, formerly the self-driving car project of Google, said that in tests on roads in California last year, its cars went an average of nearly 5,600 miles before the driver had to take control from the computer to steer out of trouble. As of March, Uber was struggling to meet its target of 13 miles per “intervention” in Arizona There can certainly be arguments about whether the kind of miles driven are equivalent…
If they are struggling to meet 13 miles per "intervention", how was the "safety driver" not paying full attention on the road at night? That's baffling.
They were averaging I think 200 miles per safety critical intervention. So, every mile the driver would have to take over to do something like go around a truck blocking the lane or construction or whatever, but the car would come to a stop safely.
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#40I don't understand the fuss around this topic. In my country the law is very clear: in such a case the pedestrian has 100% of the guilt, the driver has 0% responsibility. From the movie, the pedestrian is hard to see. Yes, people point at Lidar and other systems, but human driven cars don't have anything like this: any human driver would have the accident in the same circumstances. But how about the pedestrian, didn'…
Moral or legal culpability is not a zero sum game. Recklessness by the pedestrian does not absolve Uber. Generally, if it's in your power to avoid killing someone, you have an obligation to do it. That's also why comparisons to a hypothetical human driver are beside the point. Uber should be judged according to what they could have done to minimize danger, not according to what a human driver would have done.