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Jeff Jarvis on the Real Reason the Media is Going After Craig Newmark

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Re: Jeff Jarvis on the Real Reason the Media is Going After Craig Newmark

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The same people that own the TV news own the newspapers.

Which newspapers do Turner Broadcasting own?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Inc.

Another subsidiary of Time Warner. Though, you're right. Those are mostly periodicals and not newspapers specifically. My mistake.

Re: Jeff Jarvis on the Real Reason the Media is Going After Craig Newmark

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> Yes, prostitution is illegal. It long has been Uh? Is it? Is prostitution actually illegal in the US or just streetwalking, or brothels, stuff like that? "Networks"?

Depends on the state. I believe prostitution is only "legal" in Nevada, and only then in highly regulated Brothels in mostly rural counties.

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> Yes, prostitution is illegal. It long has been Uh? Is it? Is prostitution actually illegal in the US or just streetwalking, or brothels, stuff like that? "Networks"?

According to Superfreakonomics, prostitution was mostly legal in the US until the early 20th century---its prohibition was part of the same movement that brought us Prohibition and women's suffrage.

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Apologists for Craig's list haven't been able to answer questions regarding sex trafficking on Craig's list and seem to think that their best defense is in attacking everyone who raises questions. The part about everyone hating Newmark and his work because "He doesn’t do it to get rich" and because he is a disruptor who kills classified ad revenues is amusing. All the recent hoopla is over a CNN interview and afaik l…

Most of the print activities that share corporate ownership with CNN are probably under Time. Here's a link to the Time-Warner businesses:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assets_owned_by_Time_Wa...

As far as hurting newspapers goes, don't measure it by what Craigslist takes in. Some of the would-be paying newsprint advertisers are getting exposure on Craigslist for free, and of course papers still see that as damaging.

The media is not very friendly towards entities that don't buy advertising and take away ad dollars of or compete with operations that do. Note how little mention Ubuntu gets at release time, or when Windows malware hits, even though it would help many readers/viewers.

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Is it just me, or has 'the news' gotten worse over time? I entirely stopped following news and news media about a year ago. I'm always a little frightened by it when I see any of it poke through in places I still visit, like HN.

All I watch is The Daily Show, mostly because it's funny.

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Is it just me, or has 'the news' gotten worse over time? I entirely stopped following news and news media about a year ago. I'm always a little frightened by it when I see any of it poke through in places I still visit, like HN.

I don't implicitly trust any news organization (not even the BBC) - but there are a handful of journalists who I believe to have extremely high levels of personal integrity and while I might not always agree with their opinions at least I believe that what they are saying is their honestly expressed opinions.

Unfortunately for me only a handful of journalists fall into this category and it has literally taken years (mostly by reading their books) that I identified them.

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> Yes, prostitution is illegal. It long has been Uh? Is it? Is prostitution actually illegal in the US or just streetwalking, or brothels, stuff like that? "Networks"?

According to Superfreakonomics, prostitution was mostly legal in the US until the early 20th century---its prohibition was part of the same movement that brought us Prohibition and women's suffrage.

uh... in what manner are the women's rights movement connected to the tea totallers and other moralists?

(that's not a rhetorical question, i have never heard of any such connection, but i am certainly willing to admit that i am not an expert in that period of history)

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So, Craigslist is getting mischaracterized and demonized the same way that Google is. I'm tired of people lamenting these sorts of shenanigans. I'd like to hear recommendations as to what we can do to mitigate the bullshit.

As people who have an understanding of tech and disruption why aren't we more effective at defending disruptive techs against those who wish to see them tarnished or destroyed? Shouldn't we be doing something?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to Superfreakonomics, prostitution was mostly legal in the US until the early 20th century---its prohibition was part of the same movement that brought us Prohibition and women's suffrage.

uh... in what manner are the women's rights movement connected to the tea totallers and other moralists? (that's not a rhetorical question, i have never heard of any such connection, but i am certainly willing to admit that i am not an expert in that period of history)

They're not necessarily required to be connected, but as a historical matter there's some overlap, especially in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. One strain is a certain kind of social progressivism, which sought to clean up social ills: abolish slavery, abolish drunkenness, achieve equality, improve literacy, etc. So a bunch of the early suffragettes were also active in the temperance and abolitionist movements, among other things. From a different angle, there was also a perceived connection with domestic violence (since most alcoholics were men). Prohibitionism isn't really mainstream anymore, and abolitionism has thankfully become irrelevant thanks to its total victory, but some vestiges of that coalition remain in the anti-porn feminists (though that's very controversial even among feminists; there are probably at least as many "sex-positive feminists", esp. among younger women).
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