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Post by taoistextremist »

cobrabyte wrote: post #117
jacknews wrote: post #104

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It does indeed affect my liberty and perception of (and actual) safety. How do I know you're not a crazy person? Or that you won't have crazy moments (like most people do)? Or that you're not crazy, just evil, or megalomanical? Or just the kind of dishonorable person who thinks a gun can win an argument? I don't want to have to arm or defend myself against any of those possibilities, just so you can satisfy your desi…

By that logic, we should limit owning and operating a motor vehicle to special car parks because we're scared of the mental fitness of our fellow citizens. Why take the risk? I'd much prefer you arm yourself if you are genuinely worried about crazy people. It's precisely why I never leave the house without arming myself. The world is full of crazy people and those people don't follow laws. It may surprise you to find…

> By that logic, we should limit owning and operating a motor vehicle to special car parks because we're scared of the mental fitness of our fellow citizens. Why take the risk?

We do regulate where you can drive a car, though. Large swathes of cities can block off the use of cars in certain areas, and of course you're only allowed to drive them on the road, according to strict regulations. We even have a licensing and registration system for cars that says you can't drive one unless you pass a test, and that your car must meet certain specifications to be road-legal and actually get registration.

It would also be extremely difficult to impose the kind of regulation we have around cars, on guns. It's extremely unpalatable politically. While we ban certain modifications (though a lot of those bans have expired) typically there's no mandatory registration, save for some states.

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Post by CompanionCuuube »

leot wrote: post #172
CWuestefeld wrote: post #79

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How does a suppressed destructive device... A suppressor, aka "silencer", is a SAFETY device. If you believe otherwise, you've been watching too much TV. They don't render the weapon silent or even quiet, they bring the explosive sound down to a range that doesn't pose risk of hearing loss. I've seen the sound of a gun with a good silencer likened to slamming an unabridged dictionary onto a solid table as hard as you…

That seems like a fig leaf. The tradeoff is between the relative costs and benefits of suppressors. Given that ear protection is cheap, plentiful, and doesn't increase the probability of someone getting shot, it's hard to justify the legality of suppressors for purely "safety" reasons.

Adding a piece of metal to the end of a barrel doesn't increase the probability of someone getting shot. It doesn't increase the chances of the gun to fire accidentally.

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Post by leot »

ironjunkie wrote: post #21

I think the news from the last couple days, make it clear that the next step is to MOVE OUT of all those platforms. History is repeating. As soon as they got enough power, they use it to exercise their own view of the world, deleting data//videos they don't like or reselling it to 3rd parties. We need to come up with a better solution for non-technical users to post content outside those platforms.

> "History is repeating"

How so? This is not about blocking political speech from these platforms. It's about a specific issue: whether YouTube should make it easy for people to find instructional videos on how to make and modify firearms.

Would you be upset if platforms blocked content showing how to make bombs? Biological weapons? Why not include the blocking of firearm modification videos?

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Post by gscott »

WhompingWindows wrote: post #150
cm2187 wrote: post #130

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Don't think it's a first amendment issue, but the printing press in question is offering to print everyone else's pamphlets for free, but turns down pamphlets that are not compliant with its liberal agenda. I think it is certainly entitled to do so, but I have seen many, even on HN, denying that the Silicon Valley is progressively becoming hostile to non liberal opinions. This seems to be a good illustration. And thi…

It's not just about "liberal opinions", though, is it? Guns are undeniably a public health issue, with 30,000 "death by firearms" in the USA each year, it's on the same level as traffic fatalities and slightly below the opioid deaths. When you have a category of devices responsible for 30,000 deaths, we move beyond mere opinions, mere he said/she said, into a moral territory where it is incumbent on those in power to…

Problem: U.S. vehicle deaths topped 40,000 in 2017. Solution: Let's ban car videos

Problem: Johns Hopkins patient safety experts have calculated that more than 250,000 deaths per year are due to medical error in the U.S. Solution: Videos about medical procedures? Get rid' of em!

and so on. Only allow cat videos.

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Post by alethiophile »

WhompingWindows wrote: post #150
cm2187 wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't think it's a first amendment issue, but the printing press in question is offering to print everyone else's pamphlets for free, but turns down pamphlets that are not compliant with its liberal agenda. I think it is certainly entitled to do so, but I have seen many, even on HN, denying that the Silicon Valley is progressively becoming hostile to non liberal opinions. This seems to be a good illustration. And thi…

It's not just about "liberal opinions", though, is it? Guns are undeniably a public health issue, with 30,000 "death by firearms" in the USA each year, it's on the same level as traffic fatalities and slightly below the opioid deaths. When you have a category of devices responsible for 30,000 deaths, we move beyond mere opinions, mere he said/she said, into a moral territory where it is incumbent on those in power to…

Most "death by firearms" are suicides, and suicides mostly don't need instructional videos. The rest are mostly murders, and there's nothing to suggest that gun videos on Youtube make people more or less likely to murder.

There's no good reason to think that this step by Youtube will help with the "public health" side of the issue at all; it's fairly transparently about an animus against guns qua guns.

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Post by jacknews »

cobrabyte wrote: post #140
jacknews wrote: post #128

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This is a common argument, but what are the benefits of cars, vs guns? Clearly cars offer numerous benefits despite the dangers, whereas guns (in public spaces, rather than hunting or military etc) are just a hobby, a fetish, or a "security crutch". The "defense" argument doesn't really wash (buy better locks, or running shoes), and the "militia" argument doesn't either (can you hit a drone, or pierce tank armor with…

We're not going to see eye-to-eye on this topic and that's okay. We can't uninvent the gun and we can't, realistically, make them illegal. As for shooting drones and tanks, look to our wars in Afghanistan and Vietnam. It doesn't take much to bog down a well-oiled fighting force like ours.

Perhaps not.

We can't un-invent the gun, but that's not to say we can't radically restrict ownership, and of course we can make them illegal, why not? It just takes everyone to agree to compromise.

War is clearly a different situation, but the Afghans and Vietnamese didn't fight with a bunch of hand guns. Do you think they had RPG's, grenades etc, stacked up in their basements awaiting an opportunity to rebel? Of course not, they found the means with the cause.

If you want to talk about guns, make videos about shooting them (preferably from a range), or otherwise advocate, I completely support that right - but I will be swayed by your arguments, not the fact that you are waving a gun around.

I guess that's my point. Guns are not power. They belie weakness, even cowardice, and infect the rest of society with insecurity.

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Post by yongjik »

daxorid wrote: post #149
cobrabyte wrote: post #81

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Because I want it. It doesn't affect your life or liberty that I have it. Stop blaming guns for the actions of crazy people.

This is more or less the "argument" I bring to bear in gun control debates. There is no point arguing. My go-to "argument" is a form of the following: I don't argue what should be, only what will be. And this is what will be: If a functionary of the State comes to take my firearms, one of us will die. Period.

It's OK. The state can still come to collect your firearms after you die... of old age.

Sometimes progress is made when old generation dies off. It's painfully slow, but hey, it's better than nothing.

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Post by def_true_false »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #90
bad_user wrote: post #51

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Yes, blockchain powered video service running on own Beowulf cluster of Rassberry Pis, w00t!

Which would be wholly rendered illegal and anyone hosting any part of it held liable if there's e.g. child porn uploaded into it. Like what turned out to be true for bitcoin yesterday.

There is nothing illegal about running a bitcoin node in most countries.

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Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC »

pavlov wrote: post #153
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #125

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Is that more than the people who think that without Net Neutrality, Comcast, Cox, ATT will trample their First Amendment rights?

Is that common? My impression is that most people are basically worried that lack of net neutrality regulation means they might eventually get charged more for Netflix.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/06/attack-net-neutrality-...

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Post by leot »

CompanionCuuube wrote: post #192
leot wrote: post #172

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That seems like a fig leaf. The tradeoff is between the relative costs and benefits of suppressors. Given that ear protection is cheap, plentiful, and doesn't increase the probability of someone getting shot, it's hard to justify the legality of suppressors for purely "safety" reasons.

Adding a piece of metal to the end of a barrel doesn't increase the probability of someone getting shot. It doesn't increase the chances of the gun to fire accidentally.

Does the loudness of a gun deter its use in the commission of a crime? I think it does, though perhaps only in a handful of cases. Gang violence comes to mind: the gun's loudness gives you away if you're sneaking up on folks, and makes it easier for law enforcement to locate you.

If a gun's loudness sometimes acts as a deterrent, then the availability of this "piece of metal" will reduce/eliminate this deterrent, and consequently increase the probability of the weapon's being used.

The same can't be said for ear protection.

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