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Re: Facebook is America’s scapegoat du jour

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Here is, roughly, the media's playbook: 1. Never stop talking about Trump. Mention his name 300 times an hour on CNN. He's not a serious candidate, but he is entertaining so they give him free publicity until he is a serious candidate. 2. Start blathering about Hillary's emails, as if that were somehow important. 3. Now Trump is elected. In these tough times, it is more important than ever to support high-quality ind…

I realize that this is tangential to what you're talking about but your comment reminded me of it strongly: As much as it's clear that there was some funny business with trump's people and russia, the way liberals are salivating over mueller's investigation makes me uncomfortable. they need the legal system to pronounce in some way that trump and his people broke the rules, in order to avoid acknowledging that the ge…

Maybe this was a reasonable stance if you were a hardliner skeptic.

But it's March 2018. 5 of Trump's senior campaign staff are indicted. Multiple Russian actors are indicted. The Russian government doesn't even deny it, Putin literally blamed Jewish people. CA's c staff was just on video talking about using human trafficking to compromise politicians and their CEO just disclosed that some state governments were cooperating with the Trump campaign.

All this is astride the long understood fact that American election security is so bad that there aren't reliable records to disprove a machine that's been tampered with. What's more, the we've also seen corroborated evidence that the machines election officials in some swing States we're compromised by sophisticated actors. These machines aren't just where emails happen, they're the machines where the software that configures the voting machines runs (for some models).

None of what I've said is even an uncharitable reading of the facts. The final statement might be surprising but it's well supported in security literature.

But sure, you be skeptical as a well-measured and coldly logical citizen.

Re: Facebook is America’s scapegoat du jour

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>2. Start blathering about Hillary's emails, as if that were somehow important. I am really tired of this twisted version of the relative privation fallacy. Trump is worse != Hillary was good Her email situation was, in fact, an issue. Worse than Trump? Absolutely not. But even in context it doesn't belong in "as if that were somehow important" territory. Under normal circumstances (had she been elected) we'd probabl…

If her emails were such an issue why have multiple members of the Trump Cabinet and House and Senate members been found to do the same thing and continue to do the same thing. Objectively: voters don't care. Mentioning it at this point is sheer deflection. If you need a go-to example, pick someone in power like Kushner or Pence.

Did you expect no one to google it? Pence had private email while governor of Indiana. Through August 2017, Nepotistic Adviser (perhaps not his official title? I don't know) Kushner had had fewer than 100 emails sent from or to his server from official accounts, all of which are saved and can be produced.

Meanwhile many tens of thousands (no way to know how many) of classified messages of the Secretary of State where available to any hacker but not to the oversight of the people and their Congress. It's no mystery why Comey said the stupid shit he said; if he had said nothing he would have had a mutiny on his hands.

Re: Facebook is America’s scapegoat du jour

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Here is, roughly, the media's playbook: 1. Never stop talking about Trump. Mention his name 300 times an hour on CNN. He's not a serious candidate, but he is entertaining so they give him free publicity until he is a serious candidate. 2. Start blathering about Hillary's emails, as if that were somehow important. 3. Now Trump is elected. In these tough times, it is more important than ever to support high-quality ind…

>2. Start blathering about Hillary's emails, as if that were somehow important. I am really tired of this twisted version of the relative privation fallacy. Trump is worse != Hillary was good Her email situation was, in fact, an issue. Worse than Trump? Absolutely not. But even in context it doesn't belong in "as if that were somehow important" territory. Under normal circumstances (had she been elected) we'd probabl…

Not too long ago I would have whole-heartedly agreed with you, but I've since accepted that my opinion on her was strongly swayed by social media (specifically on Reddit) campaigns lead by Russian entities.

How much do the e-mails matter? I don't know, it's hard for there to be an objective answer since these things matter as much as everyone talks about them. Everyone talked about the e-mails, but did that conversation cross the threshold from factoid to scandal due to malicious acts by Russia?

Do the e-mails matter less than things happening in the Trump campaign at the time? It certainly seems that way, especially since there have been stories about Trump administration private e-mail servers that have barely made it into the news cycle (that's from memory, apologies if I'm not remembering that properly).

Re: Facebook is America’s scapegoat du jour

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How is it being treated as a massive important scandal? I can dig up mainstream articles that denounce the importance placed on it. Can you point me to a mainstream article of any recent origin that makes a big deal out of it?

Flip on fox. someone mentions it basically everyday. Fox is the most watched cable news channel.

The "We" above is rather inclusive then, isn't it? The only time I see Fox is when I visit my grandmother.

Re: Facebook is America’s scapegoat du jour

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If her emails were such an issue why have multiple members of the Trump Cabinet and House and Senate members been found to do the same thing and continue to do the same thing. Objectively: voters don't care. Mentioning it at this point is sheer deflection. If you need a go-to example, pick someone in power like Kushner or Pence.

Did you expect no one to google it? Pence had private email while governor of Indiana. Through August 2017, Nepotistic Adviser (perhaps not his official title? I don't know) Kushner had had fewer than 100 emails sent from or to his server from official accounts, all of which are saved and can be produced. Meanwhile many tens of thousands (no way to know how many) of classified messages of the Secretary of State where…

Pence literally fought in court to keep his private election emails private and won.

I was sort of hoping you'd Google that too.

Re: Facebook is America’s scapegoat du jour

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Oh, poor Mark! Such a patsy is the perfect scapegoat. /s The company he founded reflects his work ethics. Personally I don't care that much when the bully starts being bullied. You reap what you sow.

This sentiment confuses me. Why do people dislike Zuckerberg by default? How does it happen that anyone sees him as a bully?

Re: Facebook is America’s scapegoat du jour

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post #17

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I realize that this is tangential to what you're talking about but your comment reminded me of it strongly: As much as it's clear that there was some funny business with trump's people and russia, the way liberals are salivating over mueller's investigation makes me uncomfortable. they need the legal system to pronounce in some way that trump and his people broke the rules, in order to avoid acknowledging that the ge…

Maybe this was a reasonable stance if you were a hardliner skeptic. But it's March 2018. 5 of Trump's senior campaign staff are indicted. Multiple Russian actors are indicted. The Russian government doesn't even deny it, Putin literally blamed Jewish people. CA's c staff was just on video talking about using human trafficking to compromise politicians and their CEO just disclosed that some state governments were coop…

All this is astride the long understood fact that American election security is so bad that there aren't reliable records to disprove a machine that's been tampered with.

In this context, is it curious that no one has signed on to co-sponsor the following bill?

https://congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/5147/tex...

Re: Facebook is America’s scapegoat du jour

#118

Here is, roughly, the media's playbook: 1. Never stop talking about Trump. Mention his name 300 times an hour on CNN. He's not a serious candidate, but he is entertaining so they give him free publicity until he is a serious candidate. 2. Start blathering about Hillary's emails, as if that were somehow important. 3. Now Trump is elected. In these tough times, it is more important than ever to support high-quality ind…

The media gives politicians more credit than they deserve. More like “politicians are America’s scapegoat du jour”.

Re: Facebook is America’s scapegoat du jour

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>2. Start blathering about Hillary's emails, as if that were somehow important. I am really tired of this twisted version of the relative privation fallacy. Trump is worse != Hillary was good Her email situation was, in fact, an issue. Worse than Trump? Absolutely not. But even in context it doesn't belong in "as if that were somehow important" territory. Under normal circumstances (had she been elected) we'd probabl…

If her emails were such an issue why have multiple members of the Trump Cabinet and House and Senate members been found to do the same thing and continue to do the same thing. Objectively: voters don't care. Mentioning it at this point is sheer deflection. If you need a go-to example, pick someone in power like Kushner or Pence.

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Re: Facebook is America’s scapegoat du jour

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe this was a reasonable stance if you were a hardliner skeptic. But it's March 2018. 5 of Trump's senior campaign staff are indicted. Multiple Russian actors are indicted. The Russian government doesn't even deny it, Putin literally blamed Jewish people. CA's c staff was just on video talking about using human trafficking to compromise politicians and their CEO just disclosed that some state governments were coop…

All this is astride the long understood fact that American election security is so bad that there aren't reliable records to disprove a machine that's been tampered with. In this context, is it curious that no one has signed on to co-sponsor the following bill? https://congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/5147/tex...

People could kick up a big stink about it, but the reason it won't go anywhere is that Ryan can hold it in committee in perpetutity. , isn't it?

The voting machine observations aren't new. They're old, some dating back to Bush-era elections.

I think technological illiteracy and States refusing to replace costly machines represent the bulk of the opposition.

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