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The Glory That Was Yahoo

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Re: The Glory That Was Yahoo

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What glory? All these points were acquisitions. Everything this article celebrates were destroyed by Yahoo. The only thing they ever did well was build a portal.

I worked for AOL, who Verizon recently merged with Yahoo . It was inevitable they destroyed the startups . Yahoo processes made us look lean in comparison, and we were another old web 1.0 company . The first thing they make you do is port to their tech stack and so much time is spent on that process and approvals from central teams that it's a wonder anything gets done . They've got their own package manager, own int…

> They've got their own package manager, own internal ec2 clone, own build system, own Linux distro, own deploy system

This exactly describes the current cadre of internet giants as well, and it does seem nuts, but it's important to realize why this happens. For one thing, these systems were often developed and made to run at scale well before their better known brethren appeared. Sometimes those better known brethren eventually surpass the internal tools. Sometimes they never do.

> The first thing they make you do is port to their tech stack

There's no simple answer to whether this is a good idea. Switching costs are a real thing. Even if what you're switching to is better, that superiority has to outweigh the cost of the transition itself. There's a cost to the parent company switching, and there's a cost to the acquiree switching. There's also a cost of running a bazillion different software stacks on ten kinds of hardware and operating systems, as I know AOL did in those days. Maybe that's part of the reason they stopped being a viable standalone company. The most successful post-acquisition tech merges I've seen have been very deliberate about the costs and benefits of changing each part, not adopting blanket "always" or "never" rules.

Re: The Glory That Was Yahoo

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post #139

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Because even the people who invented modern computing and have a complete understanding of how the internet works, are still vulnerable to the bad habits that dictate our ability to use the internet. I think what he is also saying is that Yahoo had a built in buffer, that they had to work really hard to fuck up. Because even Genius's turned to Yahoo to Google things for a long time. Also anytime a genius can't do a b…

I totally agree Knuth is a genius, but he does not look like an early adopter at all. He does not use email and I would not be surprised if he does not have a mobile phone (not even a non-smart one). I think that if I had seen him typing google.com in the yahoo search bar, I'd have just thought: of course.

That's an interesting take. I never thought that he didn't use email because he was behind the times. I thought he used email for a period and then gave it up in 1995 (or something ridiculously early) like that because he was so ahead of the curve he could see where it was going and didn't want to waste his time.

Re: The Glory That Was Yahoo

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Because even the people who invented modern computing and have a complete understanding of how the internet works, are still vulnerable to the bad habits that dictate our ability to use the internet. I think what he is also saying is that Yahoo had a built in buffer, that they had to work really hard to fuck up. Because even Genius's turned to Yahoo to Google things for a long time. Also anytime a genius can't do a b…

> still vulnerable to the bad habits Doesn't it seem more likely it was a joke?

It totally could have been. But if I'm focused on giving a presentation, I've been known to subconsciously do some dumb things when on my computer, so it could have been him just not devoting any attention to what he was doing.

Re: The Glory That Was Yahoo

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post #139

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I totally agree Knuth is a genius, but he does not look like an early adopter at all. He does not use email and I would not be surprised if he does not have a mobile phone (not even a non-smart one). I think that if I had seen him typing google.com in the yahoo search bar, I'd have just thought: of course.

That's an interesting take. I never thought that he didn't use email because he was behind the times. I thought he used email for a period and then gave it up in 1995 (or something ridiculously early) like that because he was so ahead of the curve he could see where it was going and didn't want to waste his time.

Actually, you are right. This is the exact quote:

> I have been a happy man ever since January 1, 1990, when I no longer had an email address. I'd used email since about 1975, and it seems to me that 15 years of email is plenty for one lifetime.

My point was that he does not really care. I'm sure he still follows very closely some advancements, but he is not the kind of people I expect to be very informed about the new IDE, Javascript framework or web standard, for example. He is happy programming in a chalkboard.

Re: The Glory That Was Yahoo

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yahoo was before Altavista. When they started a table of contents of the web it was great - back when the web was small enough that you could make a table of contents (at the time gopher was bigger than the web and growing faster, and gopher was mostly accessed via the table of contents). When Altavista came yahoo's index was better because instead of having to figure out the right search terms you could navigate a l…

> yahoo was before Altavista You're talking about a very small window there, even if you focus on more than launch date. I remember Yahoo being the go to around 1995, and Altavista being the source for power results starting around 1997-99 or so. That's an iPhone 6s to iPhone 8 window of time.

I agree with this (and other comments to the same effect). There was only a short time where yahoo was better than Altavista.

Re: The Glory That Was Yahoo

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> “We didn’t want to call it a portal, because a portal is a door to somewhere else, and we wanted people to stay there,” says Shannon Brayton, a senior manager in Yahoo’s corporate communications department from 1998 to 2001. Of course the company that eventually killed them, Google, found its earliest success by explicitly rejecting this ethos. Google was a search engine, they didn't care if it sent you away; they…

> Google was a search engine, they didn't care if it sent you away; they wanted it to send you away ... only seems obvious in hindsight, though. I worked for a string of internet companies in the late 90's back when people were still trying to figure out what an internet company was supposed to be. The biggest task that they consistently put on me, the tech guy who actually understood what "internet" meant, was makin…

So how was MySpace able to do that back then? Did they just have a lot of funding that they were able to use to give away all that free space?

Re: The Glory That Was Yahoo

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Google's income stream from advertising is not as vulnerable as Yahoo's home page for the internet model as far as I know.

They still haven't demonstrated that they can make significant money on anything other than advertising. They do a lot of stuff but nothing really turns into a profitable business. Compare that to Microsoft who have shown over decades many times an ability to get into new lines of business profitably.

Fastest growing aspect of Google is their non ad businesses.

Re: The Glory That Was Yahoo

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Around 13% of total revenue then, growing year on year, that's nice. I would like to know what percentage of net profit is contributed by that fraction.

The other category is producing an operating loss. Just as a stray example, for 3Q17 Alphabet generated $7.8 billion in operating income. Google, the subsidiary, generated $8.7 billion in operating income for that quarter. With continued solid growth of Google's cloud business, and the pull back on burning red ink on Google Fiber, maybe they'll push that other category to break-even soon. Regardless, Google is genera…

You are confusing Alphabet other with Google other. Google other is material and their fastest growing segment.

Re: The Glory That Was Yahoo

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post #89

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They still haven't demonstrated that they can make significant money on anything other than advertising. They do a lot of stuff but nothing really turns into a profitable business. Compare that to Microsoft who have shown over decades many times an ability to get into new lines of business profitably.

What they are doing is exactly the opposite of what grandparent claimed Yahoo did. They just create things that are useful. Search, GMail, Maps, Chrome, Android, Youtube, Analytics and many other products and services. If they can milk them from advertising, they will. But they don't necessarily care if it doesn't make money directly. They own so many crucial parts of the internet that they cannot become irrelevant l…

Exactly. Focus on providing value to your customer and all will be good with financials. Google grwth has actually accelerated as their numbers get bigger.
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