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Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by _pmf_ »

syshum wrote: post #211
SeeDave wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In defense of the "scorched earth approach or nothing" folks: from my perspective... it's a completely and totally human response to faceless, blameless, unapproachable (from their perspective) perpetrators and facilitators of systematic abuse and exploitation of innocent and vulnerable people. If you've ever felt frustrated at an IVR system for routine tasks such as banking, restaurant reservations, canceling a gym…

>>I really wish that I could come forward with a solution to the online sex trafficking problem. Step 1. End Prohibition of Sex Work Step 2. Stop Diverting Police Resources to enforcing laws on what consenting Adults do on their own time (both Prostitution and Drugs) Step 3. Stop Criminalizing Speech driving to further and further under ground were it is no longer tracable at all The "scorched earth" groups are in no…

Some workers of the business in the Netherlands argue that the end of prohibition worsened conditions.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by saas_co_de »

paublyrne wrote: post #240
pweissbrod wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

:%s/sex trafficking/mass shooting/g :%s/gun control laws/internet control laws/g

There can be various degrees of hysteria around both those topics, but the equivalency you seem to be suggesting is false, for me. The internet doesn't enable trafficking as directly as guns enable shootings.

People are using Craigslist and Backpage to advertise sex trafficking victims for sale and using other internet services to engage in the communications to coordinate those sales and sometimes even to process the payments for those sales. Seems pretty direct to me.

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Post by zeth___ »

narrator wrote: post #77
remailer404 wrote: post #18

Wow! I met my wife just over 7 years ago there, and our 2nd kid is due in a few months. Hard to believe that the personals section is gone.

Since I'm a relatively old guy, I'll tell you how it used to work. Before cell phones, online dating and apps, the way people met people was through friends, or at work, or god forbid, randomly approaching a stranger and introducing oneself, usually at a nightclub or bar, but sometimes at a supermarket or cafe. Rejection happened in one's face publicly in front of other people!

And back in my day your parents would find a good match for you and that would be that. You youngsters screwed up the whole courting scene. It used to be a man could get a good wife if he only had a job. Then you needed charm. And the whippersnappers of today are even worse! Using text!

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by pweissbrod »

paublyrne wrote: post #240
pweissbrod wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

:%s/sex trafficking/mass shooting/g :%s/gun control laws/internet control laws/g

There can be various degrees of hysteria around both those topics, but the equivalency you seem to be suggesting is false, for me. The internet doesn't enable trafficking as directly as guns enable shootings.

paulblyne fair enough I see your point. but what i find interesting is the willfulness americans will _permanently relinquish_ their rights and the rights of their descendants to the government in one case vs the other in the name of safety in reaction to current events.

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Post by felatio »

"Mental Health issues, homelessness, and drug addiction" These are methods of creating and participation in a human trafficing situation. The product of a sex worker is a human service and the source of the product is humans. The mentioned problems are a part of societies lack of response to "bullies and actual mental conditions propagated by weaker social enviornment" When some one does not undetstand they are on drugs they may decide to do something exciting and change their norm for a little while also with the use of primos (i.e. the neighbor keep smoking something ect.) and corruption through persistance and groups of people to create a stressful situation at home people now have an alternative to their own rite to their own destiny. A list like craigslist allows perpatrators and unwitting victims to communicate without being seen as easily. If no one is going to address the activities then the participants are going to go too far passed the boundries of other persons and society has less safety for those not interested in participaton in those activities. A person who would be left out of normal social activities is now able to affotd to create problems and join with others who do the same more easily and safely. The issues first mentioned here are paid for a lot by governments designed to help society members. A human trafficking issue also involes intellectual activity and skilled labor as well as the fact that the more some people are left to succede the more they add these to the society they live in and pay the problems what the probllems would consider zero profit or power.

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Post by monk_e_boy »

syshum wrote: post #211
SeeDave wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In defense of the "scorched earth approach or nothing" folks: from my perspective... it's a completely and totally human response to faceless, blameless, unapproachable (from their perspective) perpetrators and facilitators of systematic abuse and exploitation of innocent and vulnerable people. If you've ever felt frustrated at an IVR system for routine tasks such as banking, restaurant reservations, canceling a gym…

>>I really wish that I could come forward with a solution to the online sex trafficking problem. Step 1. End Prohibition of Sex Work Step 2. Stop Diverting Police Resources to enforcing laws on what consenting Adults do on their own time (both Prostitution and Drugs) Step 3. Stop Criminalizing Speech driving to further and further under ground were it is no longer tracable at all The "scorched earth" groups are in no…

> Step 2. Stop Diverting Police Resources to enforcing laws > on what consenting Adults do on their own time (both > Prostitution and Drugs)

But society has rules, it's the grey areas that are always going to be in contention.

I'm sure you want the police and laws there to protect children from sexual exploitation.

The same with drugs, you don't want smack and cocaine being sold in Boots.

So there has to be a law, and that law is going to be too restrictive for some people and too lenient for others.

The laws and implementation of them swings back and forth all throughout time.

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Post by Illniyar »

safety1st wrote: post #210
SeeDave wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In defense of the "scorched earth approach or nothing" folks: from my perspective... it's a completely and totally human response to faceless, blameless, unapproachable (from their perspective) perpetrators and facilitators of systematic abuse and exploitation of innocent and vulnerable people. If you've ever felt frustrated at an IVR system for routine tasks such as banking, restaurant reservations, canceling a gym…

The "scorched earth" approach only gets support when the nature and scope of the issues are distorted. What are the real issues in play? One is prostitution, a form of sex work which is illegal in most of the United States. The American public have varying feelings about its legal status, how enforcement should be carried out, etc. Public opinion doesn't support measures which endanger sex workers (which FOSTA does),…

Actually prostitution is legal in Nevada (but not in the big cities). So even that isn't so clear cut.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by saas_co_de »

mnm1 wrote: post #197
SeeDave wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In defense of the "scorched earth approach or nothing" folks: from my perspective... it's a completely and totally human response to faceless, blameless, unapproachable (from their perspective) perpetrators and facilitators of systematic abuse and exploitation of innocent and vulnerable people. If you've ever felt frustrated at an IVR system for routine tasks such as banking, restaurant reservations, canceling a gym…

> That said, I really wish that I could come forward with a solution to the online sex trafficking problem. Start by legalizing prostitution and removing the black market. That won't end all trafficking, but will end a lot and will make it much easier to go after the remaining illegal black market as it's now been separated from the legal market. Comment about how people who don't learn are doomed to repeat history h…

> Start by legalizing prostitution and removing the black market

That would be to rational thing to do, but people aren't rational and they don't actually want solutions.

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Post by saas_co_de »

quotemstr wrote: post #68

I am fucking sick and fucking tired of people interfering with the free choice of individuals in any effort to "fix" society and "help" people. Lawmakers and advocates, have some epistemic humility and acknowledge that your own perspective may be mistaken. Not everything is oppression. Not every activity is injustice. Sometimes, people just fucking disagree.

This was a free choice made by a private corporation. Surely they are exercising their rights here? No?
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