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Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by jacobush »

valuearb wrote: post #95
jacobush wrote: post #87

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How... does that follow? To reduce slavery, legalize prostitution? There must be some steps in between I am missing.

Legal prostitutes can call the police for help from pimps or others trying to abuse or coerce them, without fear of arrest. Legal prostitutes are incentivized to work with the police to report others being coerced, it’s competition. Bringing things out into the open helps clean them up. Keeping them in the dark allows evil to multiply. The next time Prohibition helped the people it was trying to protect will also be…

Thanks for your comment, and the others in the thread too. I think I must be tinted by how it works in Sweden. First of all, the word "trafficking" there is most of all associated with the trade of minors. Also, soliciting sex ("prostitution") is not illegal for adults. Buying the service is. This has some interesting implications. It caters to the "conservative base" who does not want to see fully legalized prostitution. It also protects "workers" who can always go to the police. It also makes it very clear, that unfortunately, there is a market for sex slaves, especially for children. Some will apparantly make an extra effort to pay for abusing a child. Given human nature, I expect these low-lifes must exist in the US too.

Which is why the Prohibition thing rings false with me, especially the alcohol one. Alcohol was pretty much enjoyed by everyone to various degrees. Buying sexual services, while popular, not as much. So it's an analogy, but not the greatest. (Also ignoring that most sexual services are bought by men, while alcohol was/is used to a much larger degree by both sexes.)

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by abritinthebay »

superkuh wrote: post #111
abritinthebay wrote: post #76

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There is something to be said for making a discouraged activity harder to do. Yes, it pushes these people underground but in a sense that is good as it makes it harder for them and harder to access them. In return it’s not much harder for authorities to infiltrate and there’s less non-illicit activity to filter. Not perfect, but it’s not always bad.

You are operating under the premise here that what youtube/reddit have banned is something illegal and immoral. Reddit literally banned forums for posting good deals they found for firearms and accessories online. And youtube is banning channels that feature people enjoying their completely legal hobby enjoyed by hundreds of millions of people. No, the problem here is that governments and large institutions are using…

Who gives a shit about Reddit? I’m talking in context of the law that is mentioned in the original article

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by zeth___ »

halflings wrote: post #135
sersi wrote: post #115

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This is key. I strongly believe that legalization is the only answer to the problem. Driving things underground is only going to cause more issues and abuse to the sex workers. It's kind of ironic when in France, for example, a law gets passed criminalizing the customers while the sex workers go in the street to protest that law saying that it will create more abuse (and one year after, they were right). Trying to st…

> This is key. I strongly believe that legalization is the only answer to the problem. Why do we have to "believe"? There are many examples to learn from, to see what works and what doesn't. For example, this study [0]. "This paper suggests it’s the latter. Using trafficking data from 150 countries, the authors find that "countries where prostitution is legal experience a larger reported incidence of human traffickin…

Sweden has more rapes per capita than any country outside of sub-saharan Africa. Whatever system they have they can keep.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by gremlinsinc »

throwitaway92U wrote: post #86
remailer404 wrote: post #18

Wow! I met my wife just over 7 years ago there, and our 2nd kid is due in a few months. Hard to believe that the personals section is gone.

Using CL personals led me to a blind date with a Canadian 16 years ago. Still on that date :)

Did they kidnap you?

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by odammit »

delbel wrote: post #130
thrden wrote: post #48

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Unfortunately we've had a very poor week for internet freedom. However much of it has been the result of corporate overreach. This week: Reddit bans Cigar, beer and Alchohol trading subreddits, toy bb gun sales, and gun related coupon clippers Youtube (and facebook?) banned Channels featuring guns they deem inappropriate. Including videos regarding proper safety and maintenance. It has become clear to be that the int…

I screwed up and accidentally chambered two 12ga shells in my Remington 870, it was a potential dangerous accident but found video to help me safely un-f the situation. Also I found a "bug" that allowed me to shoot, under a strange condition, my 9mm when the safety was on. Found out what not to do on youtube to avoid that situation. Also couldn't figure out what this knob was on my 10/22, turns out its a critical fea…

Go start GunTube and make a buck or two!

I was reading earlier today people are uploading their gun vids to PornHub.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-21/youtube-b...

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by zxcmx »

narrator wrote: post #77
remailer404 wrote: post #18

Wow! I met my wife just over 7 years ago there, and our 2nd kid is due in a few months. Hard to believe that the personals section is gone.

Since I'm a relatively old guy, I'll tell you how it used to work. Before cell phones, online dating and apps, the way people met people was through friends, or at work, or god forbid, randomly approaching a stranger and introducing oneself, usually at a nightclub or bar, but sometimes at a supermarket or cafe. Rejection happened in one's face publicly in front of other people!

Plenty of people also met through newspaper personal ads...

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by adventured »

huntermeyer wrote: post #55
SN76477 wrote: post #43

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It is all impulse with zero long term goals in America. This is infrastructure is poor in some places, some areas have failing infrastructure (such as flint MI) These types of projects require an elected official to see beyond their term limits. Something few of them can do.

Members of the US Congress can serve unlimited terms.

I'm guessing the parent comment meant their term.

i.e. see beyond the need to focus on short-term sugar highs for voters, to get re-elected every 2/4/6 years.

Politicians think short-term for the same reason public CEOs so often do: near-term placating to retain their position.

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Post by odammit »

narrator wrote: post #77
remailer404 wrote: post #18

Wow! I met my wife just over 7 years ago there, and our 2nd kid is due in a few months. Hard to believe that the personals section is gone.

Since I'm a relatively old guy, I'll tell you how it used to work. Before cell phones, online dating and apps, the way people met people was through friends, or at work, or god forbid, randomly approaching a stranger and introducing oneself, usually at a nightclub or bar, but sometimes at a supermarket or cafe. Rejection happened in one's face publicly in front of other people!

Don’t forget the video dating.
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