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Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by bouncetime »

bobthepanda wrote: post #99
jacobush wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How... does that follow? To reduce slavery, legalize prostitution? There must be some steps in between I am missing.

Right now prostitution is associated with sex trafficking because it is illegal. There is no legal way to do the world's oldest profession. If prostitution was legal and well-regulated like it is in many countries, then workers would have to be documented, they'd get workers' rights, etc. There are people willing to do sex work of their own free will, and if you create a normal market for it, then people will not res…

We have legal prostitution now. Every time you take your “gf to dinner, you buy her gifts as her sugar daddy u get her a ring as a fiancée .

It’s perception . If you spend days flirting and spending money and call them your date or gf. Then it’s legal but to fast track the date is illegal - everything is a game and control.

Illegal drugs are illegal - legal drugs that kill and addicts are addicted to are legal . Again it’s all a game. If it’s anti bible or u can’t tax it, it won’t be legal.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by nitwit005 »

danso wrote: post #30

How are Craigslist personals more affected by this law/regulation than other semi-anonymous dating sites? Or am I mistaken in thinking that there is any dating site that has the same anonymity as Craigslist?

Craigslist, due to its success, became the target that all the activists complained about.

If the dating sites are next probably depends on what new target those same activists pick, because it seems unlikely they'll ever be content with their legislative victories.

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Post by kinghajj »

The congress.gov link states "Section 230 limits the legal liability of interactive computer service providers or users for content they publish that was created by others." Wouldn't this exempt Craigslist from the act, since all posts are created entirely by their users?

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by marssaxman »

narrator wrote: post #77
remailer404 wrote: post #18

Wow! I met my wife just over 7 years ago there, and our 2nd kid is due in a few months. Hard to believe that the personals section is gone.

Since I'm a relatively old guy, I'll tell you how it used to work. Before cell phones, online dating and apps, the way people met people was through friends, or at work, or god forbid, randomly approaching a stranger and introducing oneself, usually at a nightclub or bar, but sometimes at a supermarket or cafe. Rejection happened in one's face publicly in front of other people!

That sounds awful. So much pressure to place on what ought to be everyday interactions!

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by bfuller »

thrden wrote: post #101
bfuller wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>This week: Reddit bans Cigar, beer and Alchohol trading subreddits, toy bb gun sales, and gun related coupon clippers Reddit also banned subs that were used for sourcing marijuana, designer drugs, xanax.. direct deals onsite. i'm not defending the drug war, but when you only include the subs you wrote the move looks really silly. if people were only doing giveaways and trading toy bb guns, those subs would still be…

While I'm not saying they should have banned one, and not the other it would have been entirely possible to say ban an opioids sales subreddit, but not the bb-gun subreddit. It would have been trivial to simply make the rule such that only illicit sales/transactions were banned. They decided to create these rules and if the rules make reddit look foolish than maybe thats because they are.

Ok but for instance research chemicals are legal to posses, so they aren't illicit, but vending them from reddit basically amounts to drug dealing.

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Post by avhon1 »

rsync wrote: post #129
thrden wrote: post #48

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Unfortunately we've had a very poor week for internet freedom. However much of it has been the result of corporate overreach. This week: Reddit bans Cigar, beer and Alchohol trading subreddits, toy bb gun sales, and gun related coupon clippers Youtube (and facebook?) banned Channels featuring guns they deem inappropriate. Including videos regarding proper safety and maintenance. It has become clear to be that the int…

"It has become clear to be that the internet is naturally monopolistic in a way physical institutions are not. One simply cannot move their gun channel, or the cigar trading forum to other sites and have a decent chance of maintaining even 10% of their customers." That's funny - I thought that exactly the opposite was true. The Internet (not particular sites, not AOL or "the facebook", but The Internet) is naturally…

It takes a lot more time, expertise, and money to run a website (even a simple wordpress site) than to upload videos to youtube.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by bouncetime »

From someone who has dated prositutes and strippers.

I can tell you the ones I currently know and have dated have this view.

They enjoy sex. They are going to have it anyway. You are going to pay them with your time, your flowers, dinner, gifts, take them to do things. Their thing is why not take the money spend it on what they need as opposed to dinner etc. either way everyone! Is buying it and selling it

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by zeth___ »

SeeDave wrote: post #117
DannyBee wrote: post #44

This is not surprising, but sad. Years ago, i was dragged (i was the only engineer in the local office) into a whitehouse (or maybe it was state department, i can't remember) sponsored working group on online sex trafficking. The non-profits dedicated to fighting this, while seemingly well-intentioned, were completely and totally unwilling to see any other perspective or try to find shared ground. It was scorched ear…

In defense of the "scorched earth approach or nothing" folks: from my perspective... it's a completely and totally human response to faceless, blameless, unapproachable (from their perspective) perpetrators and facilitators of systematic abuse and exploitation of innocent and vulnerable people. If you've ever felt frustrated at an IVR system for routine tasks such as banking, restaurant reservations, canceling a gym…

And to make the system better they just took the system offline.

The next Craigs list will be on Tor and will have a child prostitute section.

Congratulations on making things worse.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by adventured »

abritinthebay wrote: post #83
flamedoge wrote: post #61

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decentralized network can't come soon enough. I foresee YC, Reddit, Youtube, FB, and alike get supplanted by technology that has no ownership.

Every single decentralized version of those sites has died a death due to a) being pretty awful b) attracting completely terrible users as it’s base c) terrible user experience. What do you see changing?

Decentralized is the ultimate tech fantasy. It never happens at mass consumer scale. There isn't a single example of that in the last 25 years of the Internet. The reason it never happens, is because most people with a heavy tech-tilt don't understand normal users at all. They fail to understand that they're an extreme minority in terms of product behavior.

You can dig back a decade or whatever on HN, it's a non-stop talking fest about decentralized, everytime anything negative happens, whether this or Facebook or whatever. And yet, ten years later, nothing. Everything mass consumer tech is centralized.

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