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Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by ryandrake »

rpearl wrote: post #72
quotemstr wrote: post #68

I am fucking sick and fucking tired of people interfering with the free choice of individuals in any effort to "fix" society and "help" people. Lawmakers and advocates, have some epistemic humility and acknowledge that your own perspective may be mistaken. Not everything is oppression. Not every activity is injustice. Sometimes, people just fucking disagree.

The goal of the legislation in question is specifically to help individuals that have been coerced, against their free will, into sex trafficking. It is not about voluntary interactions between consenting adults. The legislation might be misguided or ineffective--I haven't really looked into it--but it very definitely isn't about restricting the free choice of individuals.

Laws should be evaluated by their effect, not the intentions behind them.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by walrus01 »

pishpash wrote: post #27
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #21

This is completely bizarre, we can't go down this route with the internet. It is madness.

The internet is not "the internet" any more. It's a corporate owned, tapped and monitored, centralized data warehouse. Another decentralized network needs to be formed separately adhering to the original ideals of the internet. In fact this turnover may need to happen periodically. Jump ship from the current so-called internet.

You are welcome to build your own internet already, and not connect it to any bgp peers or ICANN root nameservers. But I think you will find that achieving a 1000 km size scale at OSI layer 1 is very very costly, nevermind making it global.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by abritinthebay »

flamedoge wrote: post #61
dahdum wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’ve already started banning all the subs about escorts, prostitution, sugar daddies, etcetera today in response. Also subs like BeerTrade, BazaarMarkets , and other marketplaces. Say goodbye to an era. I’m sure many more will get the axe over time.

decentralized network can't come soon enough. I foresee YC, Reddit, Youtube, FB, and alike get supplanted by technology that has no ownership.

Every single decentralized version of those sites has died a death due to a) being pretty awful b) attracting completely terrible users as it’s base c) terrible user experience.

What do you see changing?

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by [deleted] »

thrden wrote: post #48
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #21

This is completely bizarre, we can't go down this route with the internet. It is madness.

Unfortunately we've had a very poor week for internet freedom. However much of it has been the result of corporate overreach. This week: Reddit bans Cigar, beer and Alchohol trading subreddits, toy bb gun sales, and gun related coupon clippers Youtube (and facebook?) banned Channels featuring guns they deem inappropriate. Including videos regarding proper safety and maintenance. It has become clear to be that the int…

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Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by throwitaway92U »

remailer404 wrote: post #18

Wow! I met my wife just over 7 years ago there, and our 2nd kid is due in a few months. Hard to believe that the personals section is gone.

Using CL personals led me to a blind date with a Canadian 16 years ago. Still on that date :)

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by jacobush »

valuearb wrote: post #75
rpearl wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The goal of the legislation in question is specifically to help individuals that have been coerced, against their free will, into sex trafficking. It is not about voluntary interactions between consenting adults. The legislation might be misguided or ineffective--I haven't really looked into it--but it very definitely isn't about restricting the free choice of individuals.

It’s completely limiting free choice and voluntary interactions between consenting adults. A huge personals section just got shut down. Unless you think 100% of personal ads are coerced sex trafficking, which would be rather crazy opinion. If you truly wanted to curb sex trafficking, you’d legalize prostitution, not drive it farther underground.

How... does that follow? To reduce slavery, legalize prostitution?

There must be some steps in between I am missing.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by AFNobody »

tptacek wrote: post #58
DannyBee wrote: post #44

This is not surprising, but sad. Years ago, i was dragged (i was the only engineer in the local office) into a whitehouse (or maybe it was state department, i can't remember) sponsored working group on online sex trafficking. The non-profits dedicated to fighting this, while seemingly well-intentioned, were completely and totally unwilling to see any other perspective or try to find shared ground. It was scorched ear…

I suppose if you work directly with people on the front lines of that problem, Craigslist personals might seem pretty trivial in comparison.

To me, the odd thing is they focus on that instead of legalization and helping people report abuses.

Legalization is far from perfect but abuse in Nevada brothels is much lower than as street walkers.

It seems it's more a puritanical belief system than a genuine desire to render aid.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by quotemstr »

rpearl wrote: post #72
quotemstr wrote: post #68

I am fucking sick and fucking tired of people interfering with the free choice of individuals in any effort to "fix" society and "help" people. Lawmakers and advocates, have some epistemic humility and acknowledge that your own perspective may be mistaken. Not everything is oppression. Not every activity is injustice. Sometimes, people just fucking disagree.

The goal of the legislation in question is specifically to help individuals that have been coerced, against their free will, into sex trafficking. It is not about voluntary interactions between consenting adults. The legislation might be misguided or ineffective--I haven't really looked into it--but it very definitely isn't about restricting the free choice of individuals.

The goal is immaterial. The effect is an unconscientable abridgement of the rights to free speech and free association, all in the name of dubious and ineffective effort to prevent "harm", where "harm" is apparently defined as acting in a way contrary to utopian social engineers.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Post by AFNobody »

rpearl wrote: post #72
quotemstr wrote: post #68

I am fucking sick and fucking tired of people interfering with the free choice of individuals in any effort to "fix" society and "help" people. Lawmakers and advocates, have some epistemic humility and acknowledge that your own perspective may be mistaken. Not everything is oppression. Not every activity is injustice. Sometimes, people just fucking disagree.

The goal of the legislation in question is specifically to help individuals that have been coerced, against their free will, into sex trafficking. It is not about voluntary interactions between consenting adults. The legislation might be misguided or ineffective--I haven't really looked into it--but it very definitely isn't about restricting the free choice of individuals.

The intention is a lie. Much like the Patriot Act was a lie.

The chilling effects are 100% intentional.

The goal is to target any personal section that does not actively moderate content.

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