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Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

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Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

#51

How soon will reddit follow? The great purge has started. Guns removed from YouTube and reddit. Now meet up portions are being nuked.

They’ve already started banning all the subs about escorts, prostitution, sugar daddies, etcetera today in response.

Also subs like BeerTrade, BazaarMarkets , and other marketplaces. Say goodbye to an era.

I’m sure many more will get the axe over time.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

#52

It'll be interesting to see how other dating sites (okcupid, match.com, tinder, etc) handle this. If they manage to stay open, this could wind up benefiting them, as craiglist users migrate over. But if they shut down, and newspapers posting personals also run afoul of this law, then this could be a boon to bars and other, more traditional ways of meeting people.

> this could be a boon to bars and other, more traditional ways of meeting people

That is insanely optimistic, randomly meeting people in a bar is significantly more dangerous than a prearranged meet, and the first thing most people do after contact online is go to a bar or public meeting point anyway.

What is a “traditional” way of meeting someone? Through your parents?

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

#53
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's comparable insofar as, in each case the sociopolitical temperature of the moment has resulted in a reduction of the content available to users, even if the actual dynamic varies in the important ways you point out.

But one is through mandated censorship, the other is voluntary. YouTube decided to stop serving certain content to better serve it's customers, that is it's perogative as a business. Nothing is preventing a competitor from hosting such content.

its hard to see that its anything but censorship when these platforms hold a pure monopoly on the space. If Gutenberg prevented anything displeasing to him from being printed, we would rightly see that as censorship. Further, censorship takes place in many ways only a small number are the result of state actors. In Mexico reporting on the cartels will cause them to target and perhaps kill you.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

#54
It seems this and the new Youtube/Reddit bans would push more of this communication to the dark web and/or other private communication channels. I don't think I am comfortable with that. But, hopefully it leads to more support and push for privacy and decentralization.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-21/youtube-b...

https://motherboard.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/ne9v5k/reddit...

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

#55
post #43
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how long it will take to ban that too, like is Bitcoin ban imminent? Perhaps not a ban, but a legislation rendering it practically useless due to compliance burden. Modern congress now acts impulsively, fast, like in basketball.

It is all impulse with zero long term goals in America. This is infrastructure is poor in some places, some areas have failing infrastructure (such as flint MI) These types of projects require an elected official to see beyond their term limits. Something few of them can do.

Members of the US Congress can serve unlimited terms.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

#56

This is why we need ows to make top alexia websits a utility!! Imagine your electric provider cutting off your juice because CEO happen to be pro ozon layer guy and believes your fridge is too old and takes too much energy. Or your water company doesnt like you to wash your dog in your bathtub and cuts our water off suggesting t do that in your back yard. Or gas company does a survey and disagree that you cook lamb m…

I’m all for nationalisation when there is no innovation required and there is limited scope for competition (eg the state Uber’s taxi business is in and the examples you give - water is water and comes in a pipe, same for gas) but the top websites are nowhere near that stage, without competition and innovation they will never improve and go beyond what we currently have.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

#57
post #28

We're taking our ball and going home. Very mature. It's total BS, of course. People can just as easily advertise prostitution services in other sections of CL. Something tells me their deeply principled stand won't extend to shutting down the whole site. Instead, they will take reasonable steps to control the proliferation of sex trafficking on their site. Some magical force somehow precludes them from extending that…

I think you're barking up the wrong tree.

Even if you think it's all for show, this is a good way for Craigslist to use their ubiquity to lift FOSTA into the public eye. Nobody knows what FOSTA is much less the sort of impact it could have on their day to day.

But I suspect Craiglist's legal team isn't a bunch of idiots when it comes to toeing the line of prostitution. They outlived websites like Redbook even though they have obvious prostitution classifieds. I'd imagine they're experts.

It looks more like the Communications Act of 1934 was the centerpiece of their defense.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

#58

This is not surprising, but sad. Years ago, i was dragged (i was the only engineer in the local office) into a whitehouse (or maybe it was state department, i can't remember) sponsored working group on online sex trafficking. The non-profits dedicated to fighting this, while seemingly well-intentioned, were completely and totally unwilling to see any other perspective or try to find shared ground. It was scorched ear…

I suppose if you work directly with people on the front lines of that problem, Craigslist personals might seem pretty trivial in comparison.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

#59
post #29

Would it be possible to update this post with a direct link to the Craigslist notice at https://www.craigslist.org/about/FOSTA ? It seems a bit... inappropriate to deep link to a screenshot posted by a Twitter user with a bio of "CRUSH THE PATRIARCHY DICK BY DICK! XY = man & XX = woman FOREVER"

Sure. I'm on my phone, though, so someone else will have to post the previous link.

Re: Craigslist takes personals sections offline in response to FOSTA

#60
post #48

This is completely bizarre, we can't go down this route with the internet. It is madness.

Unfortunately we've had a very poor week for internet freedom. However much of it has been the result of corporate overreach. This week: Reddit bans Cigar, beer and Alchohol trading subreddits, toy bb gun sales, and gun related coupon clippers Youtube (and facebook?) banned Channels featuring guns they deem inappropriate. Including videos regarding proper safety and maintenance. It has become clear to be that the int…

I think we need to start using the book burning metaphor. Google, Facebook, et al are doing the modern equivalent of burning books. The government shouldn't stop private individuals from burning books, but the public should recoil in horror.
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