Best Buy won’t sell Huawei phones, laptops, or smartwatches anymore
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Re: Best Buy won’t sell Huawei phones, laptops, or smartwatches anymore
#2When US companies sell their phones and other electronic devices around the globe under the guise of free trade, that is OK. The world has to accept it. Even thou USG and its intelligence agencies have a proven track record of tampering the devices, pressuring companies to leave backdoors in software and hardware and spying on the planet.
Now that Chinese companies want to do the same under the same guise, that is not OK. USG is against it. Even thou there is no proof that the devices are tampered or backdoored. (I assume they are, but there is no proof.)
Funny how the same very thing that the US has invented for their imperial purposes ("free-trade") when it was strong and alone in that position comes to bite the inventor in the arse now that China does the same.
Re: Best Buy won’t sell Huawei phones, laptops, or smartwatches anymore
#3From the US. I understand the paranoia, but the bottom line is most the silicon comes from China. If they want to backdoor stuff they can do it at a much lower level on ALL devices, even those without final assembly done in China for a US-based company.
Re: Best Buy won’t sell Huawei phones, laptops, or smartwatches anymore
#4When US companies sell their phones and other electronic devices around the globe under the guise of free trade, that is OK. The world has to accept it. Even thou USG and its intelligence agencies have a proven track record of tampering the devices, pressuring companies to leave backdoors in software and hardware and spying on the planet. Now that Chinese companies want to do the same under the same guise, that is no…
> The world has to accept it.
Foreign countries can and do block American technology from sensitive sectors all the time. Your comment is especially inexplicable when the context is China, which blocks a whole host of American websites.
> (I assume they are, but there is no proof.)
I don't really understand your position here. You say yourself that Huawei devices are probably backdoored. I also believe this, and presumably the USG does as well. Given that Chinese corporations only exist if they are in the CPC's good graces, it is a reasonable assumption. Why is ironclad proof required before taking action then? Nobody is on trial here, there is no requirement for "proof beyond a reasonable doubt".
Re: Best Buy won’t sell Huawei phones, laptops, or smartwatches anymore
#5When US companies sell their phones and other electronic devices around the globe under the guise of free trade, that is OK. The world has to accept it. Even thou USG and its intelligence agencies have a proven track record of tampering the devices, pressuring companies to leave backdoors in software and hardware and spying on the planet. Now that Chinese companies want to do the same under the same guise, that is no…
> The world has to accept it. Foreign countries can and do block American technology from sensitive sectors all the time. Your comment is especially inexplicable when the context is China , which blocks a whole host of American websites. > (I assume they are, but there is no proof.) I don't really understand your position here. You say yourself that Huawei devices are probably backdoored. I also believe this, and pre…
Indeed, foreign countries do block the US tech in sensitive areas. For example, Russia. Alleged partners (major EU and NATO members) do not, and they get spied on.
Also, in the case of USG we do not presume anymore, we know for a fact that it spies on both the US (which is illegal) and the rest of the world (which is scary).
For the rest of your comment, I have to refer you to the last paragraph of my previous comment.
Re: Best Buy won’t sell Huawei phones, laptops, or smartwatches anymore
#6From the US. I understand the paranoia, but the bottom line is most the silicon comes from China. If they want to backdoor stuff they can do it at a much lower level on ALL devices, even those without final assembly done in China for a US-based company.
If you are referring to the actual silicon, I don't believe that to be the case, at least according to WikiPedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabricat...)
Many of the devices are assembled in China thus it's conceivable a backdoor may be installed at that time.
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#7This is completely fair. For anyone unawares of the obstacles purposefully enacted by the Chinese government, below is a non-comprehensive list:
1. Excessive tariffs on companies domiciled outisde China
2. Demanding IP transfer to China as a precondition to evening the playing filed
3. Demanding access to any and all data used by a corp., regardless of privacy of the users
4. Backing domestic companies with unlimited, unfair lines of credit
5 ....
It's NOT a co-incidence that Facebook, Apple, Google, ... that dominate tech pretty much everywhere else lack a significant presence in China.
Re: Best Buy won’t sell Huawei phones, laptops, or smartwatches anymore
#8When US companies sell their phones and other electronic devices around the globe under the guise of free trade, that is OK. The world has to accept it. Even thou USG and its intelligence agencies have a proven track record of tampering the devices, pressuring companies to leave backdoors in software and hardware and spying on the planet. Now that Chinese companies want to do the same under the same guise, that is no…
Each country has a duty to protect its own interests; they also have a duty to promote and support its own intersts
its absurd to imagine that the US would limit the sale of its own devices, on some sense of fairness; its much more believable to think that every other country would limit sale of US devices in their own country, should they see fit.
And if the US has an lucky, unfair hand, it would be irresponsible and downright stupid to not make use of it.
Imagining countries as rational operators, having seperate (maybe moral) expectations on export vs import is exactly what you should expect
Re: Best Buy won’t sell Huawei phones, laptops, or smartwatches anymore
#9This is completely fair. For anyone unawares of the obstacles purposefully enacted by the Chinese government, below is a non-comprehensive list: 1. Excessive tariffs on companies domiciled outisde China 2. Demanding IP transfer to China as a precondition to evening the playing filed 3. Demanding access to any and all data used by a corp., regardless of privacy of the users 4. Backing domestic companies with unlimited…
> It's NOT a co-incidence that Facebook, Apple, Google, ... that dominate tech pretty much everywhere else lack a significant presence in China.
AWS is there, but they actually don't operate it (and the offering pales in comparison with all of their other regions)
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#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The world has to accept it. Foreign countries can and do block American technology from sensitive sectors all the time. Your comment is especially inexplicable when the context is China , which blocks a whole host of American websites. > (I assume they are, but there is no proof.) I don't really understand your position here. You say yourself that Huawei devices are probably backdoored. I also believe this, and pre…
Indeed, foreign countries do block the US tech in sensitive areas. For example, Russia. Alleged partners (major EU and NATO members) do not, and they get spied on. Also, in the case of USG we do not presume anymore, we know for a fact that it spies on both the US (which is illegal) and the rest of the world (which is scary). For the rest of your comment, I have to refer you to the last paragraph of my previous commen…
why is spying on the rest of the world scary? that's what they need to do