Not surprised at all. Anecdote: A friend and I used to run a website that tracked activist short sellers and their campaigns, and published all that information as a nice centralized database basically. Hedge funds were, by far, the most interested in this - which was surprising to us, our original target audiences were auditors and legal firms. My impression from this experience is that the more successful hedge fun…
Hedge-fund managers that do the most research will post the best returns
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Re: Hedge-fund managers that do the most research will post the best returns
#42In other news, students who study the most for SATs will post the best scores.
No, this is surprising because the only research they measured is accessing SEC filings from the government’s website. Since this is the definition of public information, in an efficient market there should be no comparative advantage to having it because every manager should already be using it.
But they measured which managers actually do and do not use it, so that assumption already does not hold.
Assuming I understand what you are saying correctly, only surprise would be that managers don't actually make efficient use of public information.
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#43Not surprised at all. Anecdote: A friend and I used to run a website that tracked activist short sellers and their campaigns, and published all that information as a nice centralized database basically. Hedge funds were, by far, the most interested in this - which was surprising to us, our original target audiences were auditors and legal firms. My impression from this experience is that the more successful hedge fun…
It's humorous to me that most people who end up selling data to hedge funds more or less "fall" into that industry by accident. Your story is exactly how it typically happens: you develop a new data-enabled product for one market, then a bunch of hedge funds find it and realize it's useful. Most companies pivot from their original market once they realize how lucrative selling data can be.
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#44Not surprised at all. Anecdote: A friend and I used to run a website that tracked activist short sellers and their campaigns, and published all that information as a nice centralized database basically. Hedge funds were, by far, the most interested in this - which was surprising to us, our original target audiences were auditors and legal firms. My impression from this experience is that the more successful hedge fun…
Re: Hedge-fund managers that do the most research will post the best returns
#45Not surprised at all. Anecdote: A friend and I used to run a website that tracked activist short sellers and their campaigns, and published all that information as a nice centralized database basically. Hedge funds were, by far, the most interested in this - which was surprising to us, our original target audiences were auditors and legal firms. My impression from this experience is that the more successful hedge fun…
Did they scrape indiscriminately, or did they pay for access? I'm hoping it was the latter so you were able to keep the site self-sustaining for a while longer.
We actually did have quite a few people scraping our homepage for some reason (which was rarely, if ever, updated) but they were mostly other aggregators as well, not potential clients.
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#46> "The fact that public information acquisition relates to performance is surprising. SEC filings are the very definition of 'public' information, and therefore, usage of such information should not be profitable," Honest question: isn't that a contradiction in terms? Public information stands for "stuff that everyone is presumed to know", right? Like, economists using an assumption of "perfect knowledge of the marke…
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#47With those two simple adjustments, I saw that some big banks were in the hole by (combined) tens of billions of dollars.
The market prices for these banks made it clear that major investors either didn't read or didn't understand the data in the public filings.
Fun fact 1: My bank WaMu which was itself was maybe $0-$10B in the red so I immediately withdrew $2K in panic. I found that money hidden in my filing cabinet about 5 years ago.
Fun fact 2: What was even more crazy is that a famous private equity firm (I think TPG) had just dumped in billions of dollars into WaMu but that still didn't fill the hole (and why would such a big firm be less sophisticated than a nobody like me?)
Fun fact 3: FDIC had ~$50B at the time, which maybe wouldn't cover the losses at the pessimistic end of my estimates.
Fun fact 4: In accounting classes, I identified 3 very shady areas of accounting: options, off-balance sheet entities, and pensions. I believe the first two have since been fixed but I think pension accounting is still very shady so... beware.
Disclaimer: I studied finance and accounting in school and read 10-Ks in my spare time in the early 2000s so I have some knowledge of accounting shenanigans. I also had some experience in real estate. But that's about all the expertise it took.
(Several edits made to improve readability.)
Re: Hedge-fund managers that do the most research will post the best returns
#48Not surprised at all. Anecdote: A friend and I used to run a website that tracked activist short sellers and their campaigns, and published all that information as a nice centralized database basically. Hedge funds were, by far, the most interested in this - which was surprising to us, our original target audiences were auditors and legal firms. My impression from this experience is that the more successful hedge fun…
How were you able to discern who "activist short sellers" were? Or was it simply speculation?
It's ambiguous, no doubt, but actually pretty easy to discern in practice. There are a few big names that dominate the landscape, as well (e.g. Citron).
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#49> "The fact that public information acquisition relates to performance is surprising. SEC filings are the very definition of 'public' information, and therefore, usage of such information should not be profitable," Honest question: isn't that a contradiction in terms? Public information stands for "stuff that everyone is presumed to know", right? Like, economists using an assumption of "perfect knowledge of the marke…
Most "public" information is actually woefully underutilized. The only real requirement for data to be public is that everyone could know it, not that everyone does know it.
Re: Hedge-fund managers that do the most research will post the best returns
#50In other news, students who study the most for SATs will post the best scores.
The headline is terrible. The salient point from the article is: > By mapping hedge fund IP addresses to those accessing financial filings, the team identified information gathering by hedge funds such as Renaissance Technologies and AQR What is interesting for me is that there is a possible correlation between people who mine more and more data - even from publicly available sources - and their returns. Important to…
BUMP Form 4 is insider trading disclosures per the original paper. That is even more interesting.