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Now would be a good time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign

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Re: Now would be a good time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign

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When under pressure, I'd expect a strong CEO to fix things, not to crawl away from the problems and toss them on someone else.

What are you even talking about? His response to this issue was anything but "Crawl away from the problems". Did you even read it?

Re: Now would be a good time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign

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This is hysteria. You people are crazy. This is not nearly that big of a deal. I beg my fellow hacker news readers, get ahold of yourselves. This is a stellar opportunity for this community to have some introspection. Are we capable of it? These kinds of posts are a mirror to what we badly want to be true, whether it is actually true or not. We, apparently, badly want Facebook and even moreso Mark Zuckerberg to fail.…

I understand the anger directed at them. Facebook are the spearhead of the closed, privacy-invading web, and this is the straw that broke the camel's back. Most people reading HN probably remember the days when the web was open and free and you actually had to remember URLs to read interesting content on interesting websites, usually run by enthusiastic hobbyists, written as flat HTML sites without JavaScript bloat o…

"Most people reading HN probably remember the days when the web was open and free and you actually had to remember URLs to read interesting content on interesting websites, usually run by enthusiastic hobbyists, written as flat HTML sites without JavaScript bloat or supercookies."

That open and free web is still out there, and as a non-FB user, that's the web I see every day. OK, my RSS reader remembers the URLs for me, and some of the sites are a bit bloated (which we have browser add-ons to fix), but there's definitely lots of good independent content still out there (and I've found lots of it by reading HN).

Re: Now would be a good time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign

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While I want him to resign, it is not for the failures of Facebook. But because once things starting to blow up, he was MIA. It was only after, stories about his missing "statements" started to appear that he came forward.

Or maybe he and his team wanted to actually take the time to come up with a useful and intelligent response rather than a vapid response only meant for the spectacle?

Re: Now would be a good time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign

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This is hysteria. You people are crazy. This is not nearly that big of a deal. I beg my fellow hacker news readers, get ahold of yourselves. This is a stellar opportunity for this community to have some introspection. Are we capable of it? These kinds of posts are a mirror to what we badly want to be true, whether it is actually true or not. We, apparently, badly want Facebook and even moreso Mark Zuckerberg to fail.…

> badly want Facebook [...] to fail

I can tell you my reasoning. Facebook latches onto a deep human need (for social embedment and human interaction), and cynically pushes a hollow substitute of that, while dishonestly invading your privacy, for money.

Our body craves nourishing food and wholesome, sweet fruit, and has evolved preferences for fat and sugar. Then, today, along comes McDonalds and serves BigMac and Coke, carefully engineered for maximum alignment with our taste receptors at minimum cost.

Facebook is the McDonaldisation of social. It's carefully engineered to exploit the hooks in your brain to keep you online as long as possible, make you reveal as much about you as possible, and come back as soon as possible.

But it's even worse. McDonalds at least sells its stuff honestly and employs lots of people, somewhat ameliorating inequality.

We here on HN know how Facebook monetises: data and ads, but most people did not know the details and depth of the tracking - that's why this story is such a ruckus.

Facebook scales easily, so you get a few (relatively speaking) very well paid people, worsening inequality.

And does it bring anything positive? Before Facebook, people were meeting, organising in clubs and associations, and communicating just fine, using newsletters, the phone, later mailing lists, etc. Increasingly now, with some organisations, it's hard to even stay informed or be invited to events if you refuse to use Facebook!

Lastly, what galls me with Zuck is the pure hypocrisy. Talking about how nobody wants/needs privacy anymore, but purchasing the 4 houses around his in Palo Alto to have more privacy.

Oh, and FWIW, your Econ 101 textbook free market can't fix this, as that theoretical model is predicated on full information and negative economies of scale.

TL;DR: To me, Facebook is a despicable cynical near-monopolistic money making machine (for the few), run by a hypocrite peddling a fake, counterproductive "solution" to real human needs using the worst form of monetisation in a dishonest way.

Re: Now would be a good time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign

#45

When under pressure, I'd expect a strong CEO to fix things, not to crawl away from the problems and toss them on someone else.

What are you even talking about? His response to this issue was anything but "Crawl away from the problems". Did you even read it?

I'm talking about this article, which is calling for Zuck's resignation. I disagree with the article, and I think resigning would be crawling away from the problems.

Re: Now would be a good time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign

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Rather: Now would be a good time for Facebook users to resign. Zuck is doing exactly the same things when he started Facebook. It’s the users; The users that need to leave the platform. Does anyone really believe that a FB without Zuckerberg will all of a sudden be great for people? Reporters like these should inform users better about how their data is being used and how they can change things for themselves by simp…

I've been wanting to delete my FB account for years. Stupid me has it connected to a bunch of other services though by using single sign on feautures... Most used of those services is Spotify and they still don't offer a way to disconnect Facebook from the account.

Spotify used to be exclusively Facebook login, but introduced email login a long time ago. When that happened, I immediately disconnected my Facebook from Spotify.

Re: Now would be a good time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign

#47

While I want him to resign, it is not for the failures of Facebook. But because once things starting to blow up, he was MIA. It was only after, stories about his missing "statements" started to appear that he came forward.

Or maybe he and his team wanted to actually take the time to come up with a useful and intelligent response rather than a vapid response only meant for the spectacle?

So, you are saying he and his team waited 5-6 days to come up with a useful and intelligence but not a vapid response?

Sure, that sounds feasible given how just a day ago everyone went after Zuckerberg for keeping silent and a day later he releases a statement.

Re: Now would be a good time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you even talking about? His response to this issue was anything but "Crawl away from the problems". Did you even read it?

I'm talking about this article, which is calling for Zuck's resignation. I disagree with the article, and I think resigning would be crawling away from the problems.

Oh, my apologies. I misread your comment.

Re: Now would be a good time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been wanting to delete my FB account for years. Stupid me has it connected to a bunch of other services though by using single sign on feautures... Most used of those services is Spotify and they still don't offer a way to disconnect Facebook from the account.

Spotify should work absolutely fine when FB is deactivated, just send a 'Forgot Password' email to the email you used to sign up for Facebook.

Wow never knew, I had looked into it a year ago and they only said that you could cancel the current FB shared account and register a new one based on e-mail account.

However; that would make me lose all playlists, stored music and I'd have to move my subscription around. Too much hassle at the time.

Going to try the trick you just posted.

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