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Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by tluyben2 »

gnahckire wrote: post #89
tluyben2 wrote: post #61

Not sure if offtopic but how does Facebook make money? They talk about micro targetting me but, while I click often on adword ads because they know me, I have literally 0 times seen any interesting or a even remotely relevant ad on facebook? They know everything about me... I did an advertising engine for a big datingsite long ago which was stupid as mud but got vastly superior ads for for my demographic based on the…

Advertising. See: https://s21.q4cdn.com/399680738/files/doc_financials/2017/Q4...

So you only read the first line of my post?

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by throwaway5752 »

rdtsc wrote: post #159
throwaway5752 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russian hacked the DNC and Podesta. They coordinated on the content and messaging around cherry picked emails with the Trump campaign, and they were released through Wikileaks as an intermediary. The hacking part is me just repeating the assessment of DHS and CIA, per congressional briefings. The coordination is my suspicion based on known interactions with high level Trump campaign surrogates (Trump Jr, Stone) and A…

> assessment of DHS and CIA, per congressional briefings. The Is that Comey's hearing? I remember listening to that. He believed that Russians hacked the DNC but he has not seen any evidence of it and he (the FBI) had no access to the servers. He says it comes from believing Crowdstrike. It seems the only solid peace of evidence comes from this one company. Crowdstrike has made up stuff before. In their report about…

Not Comey's hearing, no. There are other hearings that you can search for by copying and pasting what I wrote verbatim into Google to find.

If you disagree with Crowdstrike's methodologies, then by all means let's get specific. They were the principle investigators on the case. They are well regarded. I didn't read the Ukraine link you provided because 1. I have no idea if the team was even the same and 2. it's likely they've been wrong once before, so it's immaterial.

I literally don't understand the words you wrote about Wikileaks. Yes, I don't believe Assange.

I don't get your reaction to the link. You think they colluded, but think it's overcovered in the media? You want DHS to investigate the DNC hack 2 years after the fact? Who ever mentioned Reddit? Donald Trump is a liar so he is not guilty of collusion?

You seem intent on minimizing this to the point of being gratuitously contrary. Thank you for the discussion.

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by dang »

colordrops wrote: post #140
throwaway5752 wrote: post #73

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What a vapid post. It's X vs Y, and everything is relative to that? Here's an exercise for you. Identify federal law enforcement agencies, and see what public statements and actions they've taken on this. There is not partisan symmetry, but I won't give the answer away.

Apparently you have a reading comprehension problem. My point is precisely what you said, which is that there is not partisan symmetry with law enforcement agencies.

Please don't cross into personal attack, regardless of how someone read or didn't read your comment. It breaks the HN guidelines badly and makes this place worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by MaysonL »

rdtsc wrote: post #145
throwaway5752 wrote: post #55

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People are trying so hard to create the false equivalency on this issue, too. Nobody ever did what Trump, Cambridge Analytica (Mercers/Bannon), Russia, Wikileaks/Assange did in coordination (allegedly, for now).

> Nobody ever did what Trump, Cambridge Analytica (Mercers/Bannon), Russia, Wikileaks/Assange Wait, how did Russia, Assange and Trump coordinate? I keep hearing people talk about it, never seen any clear explanation.

Don't you remember Trump telling the Russians or Wikileake to release some more stolen emails? The rest of the connection is not yet public, although there are lots and lots of connect-the-dots conclusions to be drawn.

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by MaysonL »

rdtsc wrote: post #159
throwaway5752 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russian hacked the DNC and Podesta. They coordinated on the content and messaging around cherry picked emails with the Trump campaign, and they were released through Wikileaks as an intermediary. The hacking part is me just repeating the assessment of DHS and CIA, per congressional briefings. The coordination is my suspicion based on known interactions with high level Trump campaign surrogates (Trump Jr, Stone) and A…

> assessment of DHS and CIA, per congressional briefings. The Is that Comey's hearing? I remember listening to that. He believed that Russians hacked the DNC but he has not seen any evidence of it and he (the FBI) had no access to the servers. He says it comes from believing Crowdstrike. It seems the only solid peace of evidence comes from this one company. Crowdstrike has made up stuff before. In their report about…

Re: Russia/Trump. Consider that instead of the Putin cronies and Russian government people and entities recommended by Treasury and State the Trump administration sanctiones a list of 96 Russian billionaires from Forbes.

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by ionised »

bduerst wrote: post #92
jayess wrote: post #86

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That's the entire political discourse these days, isn't it? X had dealing with, or "has connections" to Y, therefore everything Y does can be imputed to X. There's a Russian behind every curtain! They're perhaps the most powerful country on earth! Literally everything (from Bernie to Jill Stein to Trump to the NRA) is Russina backed! ZOMG! I'm guessing you haven't ever read anything about McCarthyism. https://theinte…

>Whatabout McCarthyism? What about the founder of Wikileaks working for Russian propaganda media, which is what we're discussing here? I'm not sure what your motivation to deflect on this is.

How is he deflecting?

He's talking about McCarthyism, which is very relevant to the subject at hand.

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by mistermann »

f2n wrote: post #126
mistermann wrote: post #105

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Do we even have much evidence that the public is outraged?

I mean, it's hard to judge, but things like [1] generally suggest that to some degree, yes [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/21/technology/users-abandon-...

I'm curious how they find these people to interview....the one fellow who plans to move his marketing to Twitter for example...he does have a Twitter account, but he has no tweets, so she couldn't have found him that way.

I doubt there's been any sort of a reliable survey on this, yet once again numerous media outlets are portraying extreme public outrage at this. My spider sense tells me the outrage isn't coming from the public.

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by rdtsc »

MaysonL wrote: post #165
rdtsc wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nobody ever did what Trump, Cambridge Analytica (Mercers/Bannon), Russia, Wikileaks/Assange Wait, how did Russia, Assange and Trump coordinate? I keep hearing people talk about it, never seen any clear explanation.

Don't you remember Trump telling the Russians or Wikileake to release some more stolen emails? The rest of the connection is not yet public, although there are lots and lots of connect-the-dots conclusions to be drawn.

> Trump telling the Russians or Wikileake to release some more stolen emails?

That was on public TV with reporters around. I remember that, pretty sure it was a joke. Is that the only evidence of Russian collusion?

To go back, it all started with Russian altering votes. As in, hiding in Wisconsin, in the bushes with laptops, giving Trump extra votes. We even had recount which both Stein and Clinton supported. People were donating towards it and everything.

Then it went Putin and Trump are exchanging secret hand gestures at G20.

Then some Trump people were in the same hotel at some meeting at Putin people, so that was considered "collusion".

Then it was the piss "dossier".

I still don't see solid evidence of collusion vis-a-vis the amount of time and energy devoted to talking about. Many articles today even start with "Given that Trump colluded with Russia...". So used as an established fact and I think it is far from it.

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