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Now would be a good time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign

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Re: Now would be a good time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign

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At this point I've hidden at least 10 threads relating to this. I'm starting to think that this is a coordinated PR "attack" on facebook.

It's getting out of hand. The hate train is running off the rails here.

If this was Reddit, I'd suggest the mods pin a megathread to contain it but HN doesn't work that way. I'm generally against heavy moderation but at this point I'd vote for a moratorium like we did with politics awhile back.

Re: Now would be a good time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign

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post #14

This is hysteria. You people are crazy. This is not nearly that big of a deal. I beg my fellow hacker news readers, get ahold of yourselves. This is a stellar opportunity for this community to have some introspection. Are we capable of it? These kinds of posts are a mirror to what we badly want to be true, whether it is actually true or not. We, apparently, badly want Facebook and even moreso Mark Zuckerberg to fail.…

Schadenfreude. This story is old and it does not speak well about the character of the people who embrace it. I personally find it disgusting. If you don't like the service, stop using it and shut up.

There’s a spectrum of understanding of what is being done with data. If you’re outside tech and data then it’s not easy to grasp and people underestimate what they are trading drastically, but they are lead to do so.

It’s important to remember that you’re trading with other people. Regardless of the contract or their policy: it’s just humans on the other side with all the usual trappings.

Re: Now would be a good time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign

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post #29

Barring egregious criminality, it doesn't make sense for someone who took a company from nothing (well, maybe a concept pioneered by Friendster and its antecedents) to $500 billion in market cap to suddenly resign. I feel this Cambridge Analytica story is a bit overblown. When the whistleblower says “target their inner demons”, he is just referring to campaigns placing Facebook Ads with certain parameters about who s…

> Now the question of political targeting data being re-​purposed from a personality quiz app, and issues of data privacy in general, are worth investigating.

The data from the quiz wasn't repurposed. The data from the quiz itself has nothing to do with this. The quiz was merely a gateway to get the user to hand over a laundry list of their profile data on themselves and all of their contacts.

Re: Now would be a good time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign

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post #26

Rather: Now would be a good time for Facebook users to resign. Zuck is doing exactly the same things when he started Facebook. It’s the users; The users that need to leave the platform. Does anyone really believe that a FB without Zuckerberg will all of a sudden be great for people? Reporters like these should inform users better about how their data is being used and how they can change things for themselves by simp…

I've been wanting to delete my FB account for years. Stupid me has it connected to a bunch of other services though by using single sign on feautures... Most used of those services is Spotify and they still don't offer a way to disconnect Facebook from the account.

Spotify should work absolutely fine when FB is deactivated, just send a 'Forgot Password' email to the email you used to sign up for Facebook.

Re: Now would be a good time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign

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I want to keep Facebook only to be connected with my friends. But I do not want to see their status updates. I just want to be digitally connected with them so that I can contact them. Instead of seeing their photos/posts, I would rather like to talk to them personally. I always think about pre-facebook era and want to go back again to those times.

Get their e-mails and phone numbers. It'll be a significant improvement in your life, trust me.

Re: Now would be a good time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign

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post #15

At this point I've hidden at least 10 threads relating to this. I'm starting to think that this is a coordinated PR "attack" on facebook.

It's getting out of hand. The hate train is running off the rails here. If this was Reddit, I'd suggest the mods pin a megathread to contain it but HN doesn't work that way. I'm generally against heavy moderation but at this point I'd vote for a moratorium like we did with politics awhile back.

Peak post Trump hysteria, hopefully.

There aren't very many more entities left to blame, tar and feather for his election at this point.

Re: Now would be a good time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign

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post #14

This is hysteria. You people are crazy. This is not nearly that big of a deal. I beg my fellow hacker news readers, get ahold of yourselves. This is a stellar opportunity for this community to have some introspection. Are we capable of it? These kinds of posts are a mirror to what we badly want to be true, whether it is actually true or not. We, apparently, badly want Facebook and even moreso Mark Zuckerberg to fail.…

Because Facebook used to be a place where you could go to see status updates from friends/family in chronological order. People posted what they were up to, and people left comments. Things were simple, and great.

But then Facebook decided they needed to make some money. So they started allowing advertisers to inject things into your feed. They often tried to hide it in the form of "things liked by a friend of a friend", but it was still obvious.

To make even more money, Facebook decided to do away with the pure chronological feed, and they replaced it with something much more vague. The vagueness of it all made it all that much easier for them to inject "recommended" content that they were getting paid to show to you.

Nowadays, Facebook is completely unrecognizable. The vast majority of a typical Facebook feed is nothing more than memes, ads, and the equivalent of shitty email forwards. Scattered throughout the noise are just enough tidbits of things you actually want to see, from friends and family. Just enough to keep you hooked.

People put up with it, but a sort of deep resentment has started to take hold. A lot of people are sick of being farmed by ad companies. They are tired of being a product. They are tired of seeing nothing but ads and stupid, tired memes. They long for the content and direct connection that made Facebook popular, but alas, it is never coming back. That kind of content doesn't make money for Facebook.

Re: Now would be a good time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign

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post #29

Barring egregious criminality, it doesn't make sense for someone who took a company from nothing (well, maybe a concept pioneered by Friendster and its antecedents) to $500 billion in market cap to suddenly resign. I feel this Cambridge Analytica story is a bit overblown. When the whistleblower says “target their inner demons”, he is just referring to campaigns placing Facebook Ads with certain parameters about who s…

Not only that but it ignores the elephant room here. And the ironic thing is the annoying phrase has been used so often it's lost its power, but this is literally the biggest "evidence" for 2016 in front of people's noses.

Clinton won the popular vote. She won CA for example, so clearly Cambridge didn't mush people's brains up that much. The swing states in the Midwest she didn't win she didn't campaign in. Is it that hard to understand?

Why do we have to constantly relitigate 2016? If you don't like what Trump is doing, why not fight against that instead of this constant reporting and talk of conspiracies? People who peddle/love this stuff are taking away the wrong lessons from 2016.

Re: Now would be a good time for Mark Zuckerberg to resign

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All of this is overreacting. People have the choice to leave Facebook or to accept the terms and deal with them.

This is some serious cognitive dissonance to expect to be free to share personal data but to still retain privacy regarding those. Anything you share with your friend can then be shared to a 3rd party. This is even true in "real life"

And data is not nearly as powerful as we make it to be. Populism did not win because of social networks, populism won because of increasing inequalities in both wealth and skills in a world where globalisation and automation are making more and more people uncomfortable about the future.

All data did is to identify who is who and sell them what they actually wanted. The problem is not about using data to understand audiences. It is about having people lacking enough common sense to actually check if they are told the truth. It is also about the eagerness of politicians to play with tribalism of any kind. Western democracies are responsible of those failures and they are trying to find anyone else than themselves to blame.

I left Facebook a few years ago and I don't regret it. I doubt that Facebook is worth it for most people and WhatsApp with SMS is enough for me. People more social that me could leave FB to go to Instagram though. So in any case Zuckerberg is fine.

The only way to beat Facebook is to give people an alternative they prefer. It is definitely not to try to scare them with data scandals most of them don't care about.

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