Volvo's pedestrian detection works exactly for these cases, and it's exactly these cases that have been hailed as cases where AI will be better.
Tempe Police Release Video of Uber Accident
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#702Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's clear from the video that a human driver actually would've had more trouble since the pedestrian showed up in the field of view right before the collision, yet that's in the visible spectrum. That's not at all clear to me. I don't know too much about cameras, but it looks to me like the camera is making the scene appear much darker than it actually is. In the video, you can see many street lights projecting down…
I have to agree. Just like a normal camera has issues in low-light, it is clear that this camera is diminishing exactly how light the road ahead was. While I can't say confidently that I would have been able to stop to prevent hitting them, watching the video in full screen does lead me to believe that I would have seen them and been able to apply the brakes at least enough to reduce the impact. Also, watching the vi…
> Also, watching the video of the interior it is clear the driver was looking at his phone or doing something else just prior to the impact. This alone leaves me skeptical to just how much could have been done to prevent this accident.
Wait, aren't you mean to have your hands on the wheels at all times? I don't see what to be skeptical about when if he just followed the law this could have been avoided.
It seems to me the driver might be in for some legal trouble.
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#703Earlier quoted context omitted.
"The driver specially selected and trained for exactly this job, does not look at the road!" Humans gonna human. Our brains are trained by millions of years to not pay attention to things not directly important. It's hard enough sometimes to keep our attention on the road when we're doing the driving and the driving is too easy, like being alone on a highway at night. Expecting humans to passively observe driving whi…
This is why I've always criticized Tesla over its defense of Autopilot accidents, even when most people here were defending them. Then Waymo and Ford came out and confirmed what I and several others here were saying - that humans can't react to "take over the wheel" if something shows up in front of the car. It's either Level 5, or nothing.
With autopilot now, you never know when it will start flashing to wiggle the steering wheel, so it is not a hands off, get distracted with your phone type of thing anymore.
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#704Just curious: How many times has an Uber car hit a pedestrian or cyclist and NOT killed him/her? Can we see footage from those accidents?
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#705Earlier quoted context omitted.
> anything except perfection in self driving cars will lead to more accidents. Only if perfection is defined as "statistically better than humans". I do agree that these "assistive" technologies have the potential to do more harm than good, but the bar is actually far lower than "perfection".
I wonder what the "deaths per vehicle miles" stats for autonomous vs human-piloted cars look like right now? Humans kill, what, 30,000 other humans a year or so in The US? But there's a _lot_ of vehicle miles driven. My guess is this one incident has likely pushed the autonomous car death rate per vehicle mile way beyond the current human piloted death rate per vehicle mile... (Having said that, there's not much doub…
You can’t extrapolate off of one death. The 10th time you flip a coin, it could land on its side.
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#706While this may be unfair - but LISTEN UP REGULATORS: IT's time to have standardized tests for SDVs before they are allowed to be considered road ready. And I hate to say this, but WAYMO is the company to design the test suite.
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#707I currently work full-time in the self-driving vehicle industry. I am part of a team that builds perception algorithms for autonomous navigation. I have been working exclusively with LiDAR systems for over 1.5 years. Like a lot of folks here, my first question was: "How did the LiDAR not spot this?". I have been extremely interested in this and kept observing images and videos from Uber to understand what could be th…
Alright, so given your observations, which I don't doubt, here's a question I have: why have a pilot on public roads?
If uber's software wasn't robust, why "test in production" when production could kill people?
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#708Did anybody else think that the human operator in the driver's seat, should always be looking in the front, than being distracted by looking down or below ?
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#709Direct link: https://twitter.com/TempePolice/status/976585098542833664 The interior view tells you everything you need to know about why anything except perfection in self driving cars will lead to more accidents. The driver specially selected and trained for exactly this job, does not look at the road! If someone specially trained for that won't do it, the general public certainly will not. Also, in the video you ca…
> I have better night vision than this camera, I feel as a human I would have seen the bike. I'm not so sure. Under conditions where there is low light everywhere, so the eye has time to adapt, human low light vision is very good. But under the conditions shown in the video, where there are street lights present and the pedestrian comes out from a gap between the street lights, your eye won't be dark adapted and you…
is this what it looks like when you drive at night? Can you only see about ten feet in front of you, and everything else is pitch black? No. Not even close. Our eyesight is much, much better than this.
If our eyes were as bad as this camera, it wouldn’t be legal to drive at night.
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#710Oh, come on, I think all these comments about Uber PR are way, way too harsh. Sure, the camera sensor might be making video appear darker than it actually was, and I'm surprised LIDAR didn't help, and sure something might and should be improved. But given the amount of accidents happening in a clear daylight in pretty damn obvious situations without any automatics whatsoever, purely because of humans — it's unfair to make a case of robot-auto unreliability out of it. I don't know what would be the chance of human driver hitting this girl, but I'm guessing high. If anything, the pedestrian sure as hell should've seen the car! Apparently though, she didn't. Why? Well, because.
The though of myself driving this car manually in this situation actually makes me feel scared. I might would have been going slower… I might. Fuck, I'm actually panicking trying to imagine that.