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Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Offtopic: What legal mechanism do you propose to use to ban the private ownership of firearms in the United States of America? Edit: Additionally, what do you want done about all of the currently legal guns that exist in this country when this ban goes into effect?

A constitutional ammendment is the most straightforward way.

Bumpstocks were banned in multiple steps, here in MA where they have a list of ALL people registered to own a firearm they sent a letter out "if you own a bump stock after x date, you're committing a felony". They got back 4 devices. In the WHOLE state. Even though everyone received a letter.

It's not going to be easy.

source: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2018/02/02/bump-stock-massachuset...

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Voat already exists and already has a reputation for being both terrible and a ghost town.

The problem with voat is it basically the dregs of reddit so no-one respectable wants to be associated with it. But if reddit bans enough stuff that is semi-respectable and those people are able to hold their nose to migrate to voat they might end up making voat respectable enough to overcome their current poor reputation.

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Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Who wants to open a free-speech based forum site?

I'd do it, but what I really want is some kind of mechanism that ties a "real" person to a user. I think what it needs is a "post anonymously" checkbox or similar. The goal is to prevent sock puppets. Which is one of my biggest complaints on Reddit today. Any major subreddit that discusses politics has become an echo chamber that is clearly being sock puppeted by both the alt-right and the mainstream side of the democratic party.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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This is the 21st century equivalent to burning books.

If those books were nothing but gun sale magazines and escort service advertisements I suppose you're right.

and also manuals for how to build things that the librarians dont like

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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You will have drug/gun/nazi/porno running wild in that place very quickly.

So? I can see some objection to Nazis but what's your issue with the other topics?

I used to run some irc channels back in the early 90’s, and they were true free for all’s. We had a lot of ftp’s, a lot of anonymous users, and it was a full time job keeping it clear of child pornography. Let me tell you, it takes something out of you when you see that stuff, and it’s something you don’t get back. We weren’t even aiming for a free speech utopia, but we were unregulated and that was enough.

That kind of porn. The freaks and creeps are parasites on free speech, but like parasites, hard to manage. If you open a free speech haven, they’ll be first through the door. I don’t recommmend it. I don’t know what the solution is, but it isn’t too much censorship, and it isn’t too little. I’m afraid that the reality is that as people we need to do the hard work of a balancing act, so any ideology that is too unbalanced is doomed to fail. Absolute freedom is as doomed as absolute tyranny.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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I read the craft beer forums got hit hard, since they cant sell alcohol. Also cigars trading and buy clubs are now banned. The finally got all the dark net, and idtheft, shoplifting subs. Sexsells is still up, but thats a political discussion sub, not for advertising. I know my local WA_Gun sub is purging all its trade/sell posts, since they allowed it, since all transactions are done at a dealer under law here. Gun…

Not just selling alcohol, "transactions". Which means no more swaps. Trading local brews or homebrews are fun communities, and they just got wiped out with zero warning.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Mods: Why is this being deranked? This is a legitimate discussion.

ycombinator funded reddit. And ycombinator is part of the group at the forefront of the internet censorship movement. > This is a legitimate discussion. Since when did that matter. It's discussion they don't want, legitimate or not.

Who funded Reddit has zero to do with how HN is moderated. This is the sort of explanation people reach for at the first sign of anything that's partially consistent with it. If you think about it, that's already enough to tell you that the logic is wrong: it explains way too much!

(As for the bit about YC, it sounds pretty weird to me but I don't know what you're referring to.)

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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Mods: Why is this being deranked? This is a legitimate discussion.

It set off the software's flamewar detector a.k.a. overheated discussion detector. I've turned the penalty off and rolled back the clock on the story to compensate.

Posts without URLs (Ask HN, Tell HN, etc.) also start off with a penalty, and I've turned that off too.

Re: YouTube and Reddit roll out new restrictions including channel and sub bans

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I'm not a gun owner. Indeed I'm very much opposed to people being able to own guns and hope that someday they will be banned in the U.S. I do understand your perspective and why this is upsetting to you. For me I see it as a step toward people being more anti-gun ownership. Societies evolve and social views change. Our views on marijuana, smoking, etc. have changed over the decades. I hope I am now seeing the beginni…

> Societies evolve and social views change. That's why we have principles and constitutional rights. So that our rights aren't taken away on a whim of societal change. I'm from NY and I've never owned a gun and I probably will never do so. But even I would be against repealing the 2nd amendment. The fact that people here are so openly talking about repealing the 2nd amendment and taking away more of our rights is rea…

The NRA/Republican Party's interpretation of the 2nd amendment is a total fabrication. The amendment was meant to apply to a standing militia organized by a state (potentially in opposition to the federal government).

The Founders weren't stupid. They did not intend for any random nut to have the right to carry a gun. The lethality of weapons available at the time the 2nd amendment was introduced is not even remotely comparable to that of the puniest modern handgun. Simply put, an armed individual didn't pose much of a threat back then. They could hardly envision the nightmares we have to endure today, or else they might have been more precise with the language in order to preclude exactly this sort of Al-Qaeda-esque interpretative perversion of a 'sacred text'.

That you're dispensing the carefully-crafted bile conservatives have vomited into our society is little more than a testament to their capacity to brainwash the masses.

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