YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music • Hacker News Board

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Post by austincheney » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 1:23 AM UTC

I use YouTube for background music while I program, but fortunately my wide variety of instrumental music choices are not inundated with ads.

To me this indicates they are putting their muscle behind a certain flavor of content representative of specific demographics inclined to spend money. If YouTube tried to muscle me in this way I would just use Amazon Music instead. I detest ads enough that I would alter my preferences, behavior, and content choices to remain ad free.

To those of you who are subscribing to YouTube or watching copious amounts of ads thank you for indirectly funding my entertainment.

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Post by tanilama » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 1:32 AM UTC

herpderperator wrote: post #17

I have been paying for YouTube Red since 2015. I really like the YouTube Music app and how I can save songs for offline use, and how it's kept up-to-date with songs I like on YouTube (as well as recommended suggestions) whenever my phone goes on WiFi, so my playlist never gets old. You also get other perks like keeping a YouTube video playing in the background on your phone. I prefer using YouTube for music as oppose…

I have Play Music, and Red comes with it. I like the current YouTube Red experience. It actually encourages me to watch more videos.

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Post by quadrangle » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 1:34 AM UTC

huac wrote: post #16

golem14 wrote: post #3

If true, would it be different than the NPR pledge drives, really ?

Donating to NPR doesn't reduce the number of NPR pledge drive announcements you hear.

It can. They sometimes have drives with a goal and actually stop pushing the fundraising as hard as soon as the goal is met.

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Post by chx » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 1:34 AM UTC

You know what frustrates me? I can't get YouTube Red because I am in Canada. And then the coalation called Fairplay Canada have the audacity to ask the government to censor the internet in order to stop piracy. No way in hell. We will stop this.

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Post by quadrangle » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 1:36 AM UTC

extradesgo wrote: post #12

golem14 wrote: post #3

If true, would it be different than the NPR pledge drives, really ?

Yeah, it's a lot different. NPR used to be publicly funded, much like the BBC in the UK. The idea was to offer objective journalism for the strength of democracy. It has helped a lot in the UK may have helped prevent the current disaster we now experience in the US. When that public funding started being removed, NPR had to start acting more like a private company, satisfying target demographics and seeking seeking d…

Yeah, uh Brexit is held up as the second-most-terrible thing driven by the same provincialism as Trump-election. BBC is indeed great, and the NPR comparison to YouTube is nonsense. But UK didn't quite avoid disasters (caused largely by Facebook, just as here).

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Post by Azeralthefallen » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 1:36 AM UTC

I would love to be able to pay and just block ads on YouTube forever. Unfortunately a lot of the music i like listening to, just isn't available anywhere aside from YouTube.

Even more frustrating is lately i am getting pop ups every 2-3 songs asking if i am still watching. The solution to prevent this is to get YouTube red. Unfortunately it isn't available where i live.

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Post by quadrangle » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 1:38 AM UTC

golem14 wrote: post #3

If true, would it be different than the NPR pledge drives, really ?

It's fundamentally different because NPR is actually non-profit. It's also different in that donating to NPR doesn't stop the NPR ads (which are growing, all the sponsorship announcements…) for you, as NPR isn't personalized. There are some economic similarities though.

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Post by mattmanser » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 1:40 AM UTC

w-ll wrote: post #35

herpderperator wrote: post #17

I have been paying for YouTube Red since 2015. I really like the YouTube Music app and how I can save songs for offline use, and how it's kept up-to-date with songs I like on YouTube (as well as recommended suggestions) whenever my phone goes on WiFi, so my playlist never gets old. You also get other perks like keeping a YouTube video playing in the background on your phone. I prefer using YouTube for music as oppose…

I pay for red, but the real annoying thing is you can only have 1 youtube video playing at once. So if i'm listing to music on my tv and open a link to youtube on my desktop, it stops the music on my tv.

At one point they had it so if you were listening to a song on Google Music on one device and then opened a YouTube video on another, it would stop the song on Google Music.

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Post by lovich » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 1:43 AM UTC

guelo wrote: post #33

imode wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

or, or, hear me out... I could use adblock, a free and crowd-sourced adblocker, to... block the ads. YouTube already makes copious amounts of money outside of advertising and Red exclusivity. don't force that kind of an annoyance on people if you expect them to A) use your service or B) not subvert the crap you put in front of them. there is no argument for ads anymore.

Youtube could make their ads unblockable by putting them in the content's video stream or just serving them from the same domain. I feel like they don't do that just as a way to be nice to adblockers, but I don't know why.

They've a/b tested inserting ads into the video stream before. If most people acted like I did, then YouTube would have seen them come back once every week or two and leaving as soon as one of those ads came up.

Right now it seems like most content providers are actually experiencing competition as it's extremely easy to jump to the provider with the least onerous ads, while torrents create a floor in terms of how annoying your ads/drm can be before people pirate

Re: YouTube Will ‘Frustrate’ Some Users with Ads So They Pay for Music

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Post by aerotwelve » Thu, Mar 22, 2018, 1:54 AM UTC

This is why I still maintain a digital music library -- backed by a physical media collection that sits in my real live analog house -- that I sync to an SD card in my phone.

In 2018, Bandcamp seems to have solved the digital music sales problem that the iTunes music store never could (DRM-free album downloads in lossless formats for less than the retail price of the CD or LP). Everything that isn't there can usually be found on Amazon music in a lossy format for a decent price w/ no DRM (sometimes free if you have Prime). If I have to rent music, I'm doing it from Spotify.

Another half-baked Google service that they'll give up on in six months plus an obnoxious marketing campaign fronted by an old Warner executive? They might want to consider paying people to use it.