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Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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It's fascinating that widespread outrage over privacy finally materializes when data is used for hated political causes. Commerce, law enforcement not so much... but "Trump" or "Obama" and suddenly people care.

The Facebook outrage is interesting since it is tied to Trump. When Obama did it, no one cared. For example, there's a video of Jim Messina, Obama's 2012 campaign manager, talking about how they obtained the entire Facebook social graph and used it to target voters. [1] I don't remember any "delete Facebook" campaigns back then. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZmcyHpG31A

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Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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It's fascinating that widespread outrage over privacy finally materializes when data is used for hated political causes. Commerce, law enforcement not so much... but "Trump" or "Obama" and suddenly people care.

The Facebook outrage is interesting since it is tied to Trump. When Obama did it, no one cared. For example, there's a video of Jim Messina, Obama's 2012 campaign manager, talking about how they obtained the entire Facebook social graph and used it to target voters. [1] I don't remember any "delete Facebook" campaigns back then. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZmcyHpG31A

> When Obama did it, no one cared

When Obama did what? Nothing here even remotely resembles the methods used by Obama's campaign.

"No, Obama Didn’t Employ the Same Strategies as Cambridge Analytica"

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/03/21/no-obama-didnt-empl...

HN is so full of already-debunked right-wing talking points, it has to stop. This place is full of as much disinformation as anywhere else. Everything in your post is a straight lie, a specific intent to deceive readers and create a false narrative about balance.

Edit: Dang, the flamebait here is the lie, disinformation and chaos created in the statement "When Obama did it, no one cared" which I was responding to. The cause of the flamebait frequently on HN is the frequently-upvoted lies and falsehoods, not my responses. My responses are entirely factual and do not contain lies or disinformation, unlike the flamebait I was responding to. I'm not allowed to reply to you directly because your software won't let me.

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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It's fascinating that widespread outrage over privacy finally materializes when data is used for hated political causes. Commerce, law enforcement not so much... but "Trump" or "Obama" and suddenly people care.

It's not just that. There's also mainstream media having an incentive to attack competitors. There is a legitimate case to be made if the NYTimes did exactly what Facebook did there would be even more outrage.

Also, it's Facebook losing control of data to a company that has admitted on video that they setup politicians in fake situations with hookers and use that to pressure the politician as well as create fake new stories to impugn that politician. This is a variation on blackmail and Facebook data and infrastructure is the vehicle for actualizing a part of that blackmail, even though it's libel.

There's also the pile on effect.

There's also the loss of trust in Facebook because we've been here before. Zuckerberg has variably told people to "calm down" in 2006, to claiming that privacy is no longer a social norm in 2010. And also this ideological statement “If people share more, the world will become more open and connected. And a world that’s more open and connected is a better world.” The idea that privacy is itself a detriment to the world. I found it an obscenity in 2010 when he said it, and the recent events of the past year prove that this is an embedded part of what Facebook is and it cannot be removed without destroying Facebook.

Today's statement is likewise telling. I've been working to understand exactly what happened and how to make sure this doesn't happen again. And is it now understood, and you know what went wrong? No.

The good news is that the most important actions to prevent this from happening again today we have already taken years ago.

The most important actions have already been taken, are unspecified, yet this mess still happened meaning those actions were insufficient. Whether this is an assessment problem, a failure to implement safeguards problem, or bad ideology, the net result is loss of trust.

I've never trusted Facebook and everything that's happened over 10 years with this company just reinforces how right I was to not trust them. That history is 95% not Trump or Obama related.

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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The whole operating model of the company based on invasion of privacy. Blatant invasion of privacy and data collection by Google and FB is a national security issue. No entity should be allowed to snoop on free citizens more than KGB has ever dreamed about. Orwellian!

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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> ... Facebook's de facto anonymity ...

Facebook does a pretty good job of authentication, at least for nontechnical users, who are arguably the majority. If you sign up using VPN services or Tor, you get nagged for a mobile number for text verification. So Facebook either knows your IP address or mobile number. I don't consider that "de facto anonymity".

Now if you're skilled, and willing to invest some time and money, you can circumvent that. Or you can buy accounts, if you know where to shop. But that's not the case, for most Facebook users.

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Wow, is it just me, or is Bloomberg really on the attack on Facebook? Every article on Facebook from them submitted here and other places like Reddit have always been quite negative, especially the headline.

Yeah, Facebook/Google/... vs trad media is like lions vs hyenas fighting over a wildebeest carcass on the Seregenti.

Personally, I'm rooting for the wildebeest to come back to life and run off.

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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post #11
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It's fascinating that widespread outrage over privacy finally materializes when data is used for hated political causes. Commerce, law enforcement not so much... but "Trump" or "Obama" and suddenly people care.

The Facebook outrage is interesting since it is tied to Trump. When Obama did it, no one cared. For example, there's a video of Jim Messina, Obama's 2012 campaign manager, talking about how they obtained the entire Facebook social graph and used it to target voters. [1] I don't remember any "delete Facebook" campaigns back then. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZmcyHpG31A

Please stop spreading the "Obama did it too!" canard, they didn't exceed authorization.

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Wow, is it just me, or is Bloomberg really on the attack on Facebook? Every article on Facebook from them submitted here and other places like Reddit have always been quite negative, especially the headline.

Definitely not just you. And to me, it's not just Bloomberg, looks like most of traditional media companies are out this time.

There was inevitably going to be a wave of takes.

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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It's fascinating that widespread outrage over privacy finally materializes when data is used for hated political causes. Commerce, law enforcement not so much... but "Trump" or "Obama" and suddenly people care.

You gotta understand the ruling elites though. It was fun to watch different "Springs" happening in some distant lands. Not so much fun when "American Spring" happens in your own country, even if it's a "mild" edition.
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