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Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by sverige »

rectang wrote: post #5

It's fascinating that widespread outrage over privacy finally materializes when data is used for hated political causes. Commerce, law enforcement not so much... but "Trump" or "Obama" and suddenly people care.

The Facebook outrage is interesting since it is tied to Trump. When Obama did it, no one cared. For example, there's a video of Jim Messina, Obama's 2012 campaign manager, talking about how they obtained the entire Facebook social graph and used it to target voters. [1] I don't remember any "delete Facebook" campaigns back then.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZmcyHpG31A

Re: Zuckerberg Has No Way Out of Facebook's Quagmire

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Post by asdsa5325 »

tristanj wrote: post #3

Something I've been thinking about: why doesn't WeChat, the world's 2nd largest social network with 1B MAU, suffer the issues Facebook is experiencing today? If Facebook became more like WeChat, would they avoid these problems? If Facebook finds it does avoid such problems, will Facebook switch models in the future?

Because everyone that uses WeChat understands that their data is being provided, without question, to the Chinese government?

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Post by aylmao »

tristanj wrote: post #3

Something I've been thinking about: why doesn't WeChat, the world's 2nd largest social network with 1B MAU, suffer the issues Facebook is experiencing today? If Facebook became more like WeChat, would they avoid these problems? If Facebook finds it does avoid such problems, will Facebook switch models in the future?

WeChat is this big because of its dominance in China and it very much operates in cooperation of the government [1]. It was subsidized by the government, it has no international competition because the government doesn't allow similar apps to operate there, and it's an "accepted reality that officials censor and monitor users".

Aka, the "privacy and collusion with the state" bar is at a very different level.

[1]: https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/1/16721230/wechat-china-app-...

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Post by hangonhn »

rectang wrote: post #5

It's fascinating that widespread outrage over privacy finally materializes when data is used for hated political causes. Commerce, law enforcement not so much... but "Trump" or "Obama" and suddenly people care.

But that is very human: we are really, really bad at grasping abstract ideas but make something concrete and we will react. I can talk about privacy with someone until their ear falls off but to most people I sound like a lunatic. Show them how we can be manipulated into sometimes literally tearing each other apart and suddenly people care.

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Post by fredliu »

Mayzie wrote: post #14

Wow, is it just me, or is Bloomberg really on the attack on Facebook? Every article on Facebook from them submitted here and other places like Reddit have always been quite negative, especially the headline.

Definitely not just you. And to me, it's not just Bloomberg, looks like most of traditional media companies are out this time.

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Post by aidenn0 »

rectang wrote: post #5

It's fascinating that widespread outrage over privacy finally materializes when data is used for hated political causes. Commerce, law enforcement not so much... but "Trump" or "Obama" and suddenly people care.

One of my friends mentioned that Trump denying climate change galvanized a lot of support for reducing greenhouse emissions. Apparently people hate Trump more than they like our planet...
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