Airborn: Create and edit files online, securely • Hacker News Board

Re: Airborn: Create and edit files online, securely

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Post by EGreg » Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 5:34 PM UTC

lucideer wrote: post #6

This looks potentially nice. The initial assumption with these types of services is always that an attacker, having compromised their servers, could simply inject malicious code into the browser. From their docs: > Normally, when hackers get access to your server, they can change the code that gets sent to customers. For example, they could make the code say "send your password to us". Then, even though they can't re…

That's because the Web is not secure in precisely that way.

But how would you know an app developer wasn't compromised and signed the next version with a backdoor also?

Re: Airborn: Create and edit files online, securely

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 5:34 PM UTC

woranl wrote: post #24

Does Airborn have paying customers? How important is the issue that they are trying to fix?

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Re: Airborn: Create and edit files online, securely

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Post by EGreg » Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 5:35 PM UTC

raleigh_user wrote: post #28

You need Patrick from PriceIntelligently to analyze your pricing page. Maybe tweet at him or Hiten Shah and see if either will help. I'd recon they would suggest you keep 2 tiers and add a call us tier for b2b enterprise. I see where decently sized companies would pay a lot more than $10/month/user to ensure their sensitive docs can't be stolen. I certainly am no expert but if the product works as it seems this shoul…

What are their emails? Write it in an antispam way, we'd be interested also

Re: Airborn: Create and edit files online, securely

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Post by twiss » Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 5:43 PM UTC

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #30

So I remember trying this before, and it had a 'desktop' and an app store where you could add more apps, but right now the demo seems to be limited to documents and presentations. Is that a change in focus or a limitation of the demo?

Yeah. I've been focusing on office apps rather than "any apps", and I removed the window manager based on feedback here and elsewhere that it felt too "heavy" and unnecessary. Also, the app store was actually the Firefox OS marketplace, which was shut down. (And to be honest, the apps in it weren't super useful for Airbon to begin with. There weren't very many apps for "serious work".)

Under the hood, it's theoretically still super easy to add/install apps in Airborn, though, and Firefox OS's marketplace server is open source, so maybe in the future?

Re: Airborn: Create and edit files online, securely

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Post by pccampbell » Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 5:44 PM UTC

EGreg wrote: post #33

raleigh_user wrote: post #28

You need Patrick from PriceIntelligently to analyze your pricing page. Maybe tweet at him or Hiten Shah and see if either will help. I'd recon they would suggest you keep 2 tiers and add a call us tier for b2b enterprise. I see where decently sized companies would pay a lot more than $10/month/user to ensure their sensitive docs can't be stolen. I certainly am no expert but if the product works as it seems this shoul…

What are their emails? Write it in an antispam way, we'd be interested also

patrick[at]priceintelligently[dot]com

Always happy to help where I can when it comes to pricing.

PC

Re: Airborn: Create and edit files online, securely

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Post by twiss » Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 5:45 PM UTC

EGreg wrote: post #31

lucideer wrote: post #6

This looks potentially nice. The initial assumption with these types of services is always that an attacker, having compromised their servers, could simply inject malicious code into the browser. From their docs: > Normally, when hackers get access to your server, they can change the code that gets sent to customers. For example, they could make the code say "send your password to us". Then, even though they can't re…

That's because the Web is not secure in precisely that way. But how would you know an app developer wasn't compromised and signed the next version with a backdoor also?

The Service Worker doesn't simply check a signature from the developer, it checks the source code against the version on GitHub. So, to know whether it contains a backdoor, read the code on GitHub.

Re: Airborn: Create and edit files online, securely

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Post by bovermyer » Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 5:45 PM UTC

EGreg wrote: post #33

raleigh_user wrote: post #28

You need Patrick from PriceIntelligently to analyze your pricing page. Maybe tweet at him or Hiten Shah and see if either will help. I'd recon they would suggest you keep 2 tiers and add a call us tier for b2b enterprise. I see where decently sized companies would pay a lot more than $10/month/user to ensure their sensitive docs can't be stolen. I certainly am no expert but if the product works as it seems this shoul…

What are their emails? Write it in an antispam way, we'd be interested also

Dunno email, but Patrick's Twitter handle is Patticus.

Re: Airborn: Create and edit files online, securely

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Post by raleigh_user » Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 5:46 PM UTC

pccampbell wrote: post #35

EGreg wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are their emails? Write it in an antispam way, we'd be interested also

patrick[at]priceintelligently[dot]com Always happy to help where I can when it comes to pricing. PC

The man, the myth, the legend.

He’s going to roast your pricing but I’m sure you’ll grow a ton from it.

Re: Airborn: Create and edit files online, securely

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Post by _eht » Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 5:48 PM UTC

twiss wrote: post #36

EGreg wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's because the Web is not secure in precisely that way. But how would you know an app developer wasn't compromised and signed the next version with a backdoor also?

The Service Worker doesn't simply check a signature from the developer, it checks the source code against the version on GitHub. So, to know whether it contains a backdoor, read the code on GitHub.

That's pretty neat actually.

Re: Airborn: Create and edit files online, securely

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Post by ocdtrekkie » Wed, Mar 21, 2018, 5:57 PM UTC

twiss wrote: post #34

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #30

So I remember trying this before, and it had a 'desktop' and an app store where you could add more apps, but right now the demo seems to be limited to documents and presentations. Is that a change in focus or a limitation of the demo?

Yeah. I've been focusing on office apps rather than "any apps", and I removed the window manager based on feedback here and elsewhere that it felt too "heavy" and unnecessary. Also, the app store was actually the Firefox OS marketplace, which was shut down. (And to be honest, the apps in it weren't super useful for Airbon to begin with. There weren't very many apps for "serious work".) Under the hood, it's theoretica…

I can agree with that, the window manager was really neat (as I've always indicated these sorts of cloud platforms are like virtual OSes), but probably didn't add much to usability.

Performance seems really smooth, I'm glad to see this is still coming along quite nicely.

Even if it isn't the best UI, I think you really do still need to get something like EtherCalc on here, even for personal use, I love spreadsheets for storing structured information, and for business users, it's almost definitely a need.