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Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by alwayseasy »

noetic_techy wrote: post #500
propman wrote: post #26

I don't get what changed? We've knows Facebook tracks everything, we've known Google does the same thing. If you've ever developed anything in messenger even today, it's amazing how much information is given. We know all these sites track everything you do outside of Facebook too. Everyone has been trying to get them to stop, we know it's illegal to build a profile on someone but Facebook gets around that by building…

Its purely Trump hatred driving this. Because Obama doing this in 2012 = Genius. Trump doing this in 2016 = Scandal. I'm a libertarian and yes I threw my vote away on Gary Johnson, but looking at the media landscape, there truly is a backlash against conservatives going on in social media, and this is just part of that. Donald Trump won because fake news... no wait, it was Russia and their abysmal social media spendi…

Obama didn't use an entire fake news infrastructure coupled with hackers leaking the opposition's emails... Your equivalency is misguided or misleading, you can't compare Obama 2012 to Trump 2016. You present the topics as separate when they are all linked. The damage comes from data + fake news + Russian APT.

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by gadders »

wnevets wrote: post #586
gadders wrote: post #567

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying the tweets in the article are not genuine or the article is untrue? It would probably be better if you engaged with the content of the story rather than virtue signal.

If a dailymail story about facebook giving data they own to obama is the best you can do, you've only proven my point.

Did you even read the story? It contains screenshots of tweets from the Carol Davidsen, Media Director at Obama for America. Do those screenshots magically become true when reproduced on a different website? The fact that you can only complain about the website I linked to, rather than the substance of the story, only proves my point.

But here, have a link from somewhere else:

Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2018/03/19/why-are...

Twitter: https://twitter.com/cld276/status/975568130117459975

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by ensignavenger »

wyldfire wrote: post #508
noetic_techy wrote: post #500

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its purely Trump hatred driving this. Because Obama doing this in 2012 = Genius. Trump doing this in 2016 = Scandal. I'm a libertarian and yes I threw my vote away on Gary Johnson, but looking at the media landscape, there truly is a backlash against conservatives going on in social media, and this is just part of that. Donald Trump won because fake news... no wait, it was Russia and their abysmal social media spendi…

I suppose Trump hatred plays a role. But superpowers interfering with elections is a big deal, it's the kind of thing that could lead to another extinction level event. Any of the mechanisms leveraged in this propaganda campaign should receive extra scrutiny.

"superpowers interfering with elections is a big deal"

Which has been going on since... forever? (at least, since elections and superpowers have been a thing, anyway)

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by matchbok »

RyanZAG wrote: post #522
matchbok wrote: post #516

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What Obama did was very, very different. The fact that you don't know this (or ignored it) tells a lot about how biased you are. And yes, there should be backlash against conservatives. They just elected a Nazi in Illinois.

> They just elected a Nazi in Illinois. I know nothing about American politics or what's going on in Illinois. But that you jump straight on calling someone you disagree with a "Nazi", while also saying how different what Obama did with no explanation and a lot of insults, does not give me much confidence in what you are saying here. Just letting you know in case you were trying to convince anyone of your viewpoint.

Didn't call anyone a Nazi, except the Nazi, who just won a Republican primary.

Try again.

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by wnevets »

gadders wrote: post #567
wnevets wrote: post #524

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The dailymail, really?

Are you saying the tweets in the article are not genuine or the article is untrue? It would probably be better if you engaged with the content of the story rather than virtue signal.

CA sold stolen data. CA paid out bribes to win elections.

Why are you bringing up facebook giving away data that they own?

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by EnderMB »

The main thing I don't get from this approach is the idea that deleting Facebook somehow frees you from this level of data mining.

In reality, it's well-known (not just by techies, but everyone) that when you "delete" Facebook, you're only really deactivating that account. Your data has already been mined, your data has already been sold and moved onto another server, and even if Facebook wanted to get rid of you, the Channel 4/Guardian expose has illustrated that data has been sold. The damage has already been done.

Instead of trying to get people to leave, there should be pressure on sanctions from affected governments. The only way to stop this level of data misuse is to ensure that Facebook is fined adequately. Instead of trying to crash the stock price, fine them $10k for every user breach, to the tune of several billion.

My biggest worry from this scandal is that the anger will die down, and the world will be told that you can get away with this level of data breach. Equifax have largely got away with their breach, but if Facebook and CA can get away with outright giving data away for profit then all we'll see is that the line hasn't been crossed yet.

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by r3vo »

gdilla wrote: post #496
r3vo wrote: post #477

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing has changed at all as far as I can tell. It's such a media event right now simply because it was taken advantage of by the President to win the election. Anything that can potentially cast Trump in a bad light is bound to get a lot of media attention. This is all ignoring the fact that President Obama used almost the same Facebook app analytics tactics to win his campaign (albeit less deceptively). Regardless…

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/03/21/no-obama-didnt-empl...

I wasn't trying start a political flamewar. I noted in parenthesis that Obama's use of this sort of analytics was less deceptive. I think that the link that CptJamesCook posted validates my original comment on this.

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by dspillett »

aylmao wrote: post #589
dspillett wrote: post #565

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yet Facebook is not painted as a victim here, They failed to disclose the issue (which they knew about for quite some time) and in fact continued to profit form the relationship with CA. I don't seen a reasonable expectation that they should be considered a victim.

I actually agree with you, this could be handled better by them. I'm personally a little confused by the details and timings though; where did you read about them profiting after they knew about the issue?

I'm working under the impression that they were aware of the specific "breach" some months ago, and only terminated their dealings with CA once the matter became public (so cutting off the revenue stream was done CA as a reaction to bad PR, not because of any moral rightness or a reaction to any policy or contract breach).

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by wyldfire »

noetic_techy wrote: post #500
propman wrote: post #26

I don't get what changed? We've knows Facebook tracks everything, we've known Google does the same thing. If you've ever developed anything in messenger even today, it's amazing how much information is given. We know all these sites track everything you do outside of Facebook too. Everyone has been trying to get them to stop, we know it's illegal to build a profile on someone but Facebook gets around that by building…

Its purely Trump hatred driving this. Because Obama doing this in 2012 = Genius. Trump doing this in 2016 = Scandal. I'm a libertarian and yes I threw my vote away on Gary Johnson, but looking at the media landscape, there truly is a backlash against conservatives going on in social media, and this is just part of that. Donald Trump won because fake news... no wait, it was Russia and their abysmal social media spendi…

I'm not sure how authoritative it is but this tweet [1] claims otherwise.

[1] https://twitter.com/mbsimon/status/975231597183229953

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